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Gibson SG headstock

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by buckeyebragi, Dec 2, 2013.

  1. buckeyebragi

    buckeyebragi Supporting Member

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    Hi all,

    So I found one of the new 2014 SG basses and it is truly a perfect little monster. I also really like short scales so that is a bonus. Here is my issue though, I notice a higher number of repaired SG basses and guitars, usually at the nut, than any other type of instrument. I've heard of the Gibson issue with their headstocks before...but why is this? Is it the stress? What causes it? How can it be avoided if I buy one? Thanks.

    ~BB~
  2. buckeyebragi

    buckeyebragi Supporting Member

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  3. ifallalot

    ifallalot

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    Its not just basses, its guitars too. I don't know why myself but I think it is the angle of the headstock?

    Here's what happened 1 year old vs Epiphone. This is after I removed the strings

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  4. bolophonic

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    It's the angle. It is an easy fix.
  5. Baird6869

    Baird6869 Supporting Member

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    Don't drop it.

    The Gibson angled headstock is notorious for breaking.

    It is under $100 generally to fix and involves wood glue, a couple of clamps and maybe a few more $$$ if you want the area repainted.

    Not a big deal unless it is a super expensive vintage bass/guitar.
  6. T-Bird

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    Hi.

    "There's only two kinds of angled HS mahogany necks out there. Ones that have broken and been repaired, and the ones that have not been repaired, YET"

    If You look at the grain orientation on the HS it's pretty easy to understand why it splits like it splits.

    A bump (or an attempt to HS vibrato gone wrong) and the HS snaps off.

    Easy(ish) fix.

    Gibson tried to alleviate the problem by introducing a volute to strenghten the problem area in earlsy 70's, but they had to abandon that practise because people didn't like it.

    It's not just Gibsons either, all mahogany necks are the same, especially if the HS is angled.

    Not a big deal there either, ~15% hit on the re-sale value if done correctly.

    Regards
    Sam
  7. fretno

    fretno Supporting Member

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    that and the truss rod cut out
  8. devo_stevo

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    I agree with pretty much everything said here. There a couple of reasons that this happens.

    1. No volute. This would reinforce the area and give it more strength.
    2. The removed material for the truss rod access. They use a one way rod with a nut on it. This requires more material to be removed then a modern two way rod does.
    3. There is no scarf joint at the headstock. The problem here is "grain runout". The headstock is all endgrain, which is much weaker.
  9. aproud1

    aproud1 Hit that long lunar note, and let it float. Gold Supporting Member

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    As others have said it how thin the neck is at the nut especially due to the truss rod access.

    If you don't drop or knock over your bass it shouldn't be an issue, it wasn't for me. If you are in the habit of dropping or knocking over your bass I would buy something else.
  10. hdracer

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    Gibson's are not the only instruments that can have a headstock break from a fall.

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    How many SG's could you buy to equal the cost of that bass??
  11. Gaolee

    Gaolee The Fat Violin Supporting Member

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    Yeah, my upright has a repaired headstock. My EB-2 doesn't, and it is pushing 45 years old now. If you don't drop them, they don't break. A short scale neck is easier to keep out of harm's way, since waving it around doesn't cut such a wide arc. I'm grateful the P and Ric have maple necks, because those headstocks get whacked on all kinds of things when I get into it a little.

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