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GK 212, better than.............??

Discussion in 'Amps [BG]' started by gregmon79, Dec 22, 2012.

  1. gregmon79

    gregmon79 We've come to kill gods...... Supporting Member

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    So, here I am again folks. I was wondering since just about everyone is saying, with plenty good reason, that since I bought a GK 1001 RB that I should get a better cab combination. Right now I will mainly be pushing a Fender 410 Bassman that is more than a few years old, and is now giving me L pad troubles. Though I think easily fixable with a solder job, I'm still a bit leery about continuing pushing this cab with the GK head. I also have a Hartke 115 Hydrive that I don't really combine with all this unless I'm playing a gig out. With all that said, I was wondering, what are your opinions on pushing a GK 212 Neo cab on its own, with the GK head? Is it going to be enough for regular jamming and playing out on gigs? Or am I going to have problems being heard with running just this one cab alone by itself. As always, my budget is limited but I will probably be trading some things back in as well to trade for the GK cab if I decide to go that route.
  2. FretlessMainly

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    If you get a GK 212 Neo to go with that 1001RB (II?), you will be able to destroy the back walls in any good-sized club. You won't have a ton of headroom if you really, really crank it and attack hard, but otherwise, go for it. I use the 700RB-II with my NEO 212 and it's been well more than I've needed for any club in the Boston/NYC area.

    For rehearsal, small-medium-sized gigs? You'll be running at 25% max. That 1001 is a LOUD amp.
  3. gregmon79

    gregmon79 We've come to kill gods...... Supporting Member

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    I will mostly be using it in a rehearsal space (basement). Honestly, I don't know if its a II or a I RB head. On the actual head there is no "II" after the 1001RB. What is the difference between the two?? Is the II a better head?
  4. gregmon79

    gregmon79 We've come to kill gods...... Supporting Member

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    I'm guessing I have the II, due to the fact that it says "MARK II" on it underneath the 1001RB, correct??
  5. FretlessMainly

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    Does it say "Mark II" in red letters below and to the right of 1001RB? If not, you've got an older model. I don't know the difference between the original series and the Mark II series, but I suspect that the older series 1001 is still a beast. However, at 700W, you might be better off with a Neo 410 or 412. The rating on the Neo 212 is 600 W. But wattage is an odd duck; it's the primary metric we are given, but it doesn't always tell the story well.

    http://www.gallien-krueger.com/products/cabinets/
  6. B-string

    B-string Supporting Member

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    I play a G-K NEO212 II with the Fusion 550. Two guitarists, drummer and keys and have no trouble anywhere.
  7. FretlessMainly

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    OK then. You need something that can handle this beast. You're worried about not enough power? You need to be more worried about a cabinet that can handle this monster.

    A GK 410 or 412. See link above.
  8. gregmon79

    gregmon79 We've come to kill gods...... Supporting Member

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    Awesome, thanks Fret. I will definitely look into the 412. I would like the extra headroom actually because I do play harder considering I played for many years with lower wattage compared to most the bands I played with and I had to fight to be heard due to the fact I never had the money to buy enough power.
  9. B-string

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    It is possible if it says Mk II on the bottom it may have been updated by G-K at some point. Mk II's have a slight voicing change, better cooling and more power than the Mk I's. Mark II's put put 480 watts at 8 ohms, the NEO212 II is rated at 600 watts and should handle the Mk II.
  10. FretlessMainly

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    Get some ear plugs. Seriously.
  11. B-string

    B-string Supporting Member

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    The 1001RB II and the NEO412 will damage buildings and troublesome guitarists. I know I also have the NEO412 series 1, it gets the duty at large outside gigs :D
  12. gregmon79

    gregmon79 We've come to kill gods...... Supporting Member

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    Lots a help fellas, thanks a bunch. I really need to find an inexpensive/used cab. My budget is horribly limited. I suppose most are.
  13. FretlessMainly

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    To clarify, the 1001RB-II is only rated at 700W when couped with a 4-ohm cabinet. With an 8-ohm cabinet, you're pushing 460W. So, the GK, 212 is still in play here.

    Don't bother getting a 4-ohm cabinet. The volume difference between that and the same cabinet at 8 ohms is negligible. However, you will tax your head at 4 ohms. Get an 8-ohm cabinet, and if you need to play Madison Sq. Garden, add a second 8-ohm 212 to drive two cabinets at a net 4 ohms.

    But again, the 1001 with a 212 will break glass and concrete.
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    So fix the L pad in your Fender cab.
  15. gregmon79

    gregmon79 We've come to kill gods...... Supporting Member

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    I know Jimmy, I in fact am. But I'm not sure I'm going to be happy with the Fender once I plug the GK RB II into it. I have the Hartke and Fender cabs and a the Yorkie 400. You guys honestly think I would get close to an even trade with these 3 items for a GK 212 Neo? I know that there are a lot of variables involved in re-selling items back to a store or trade ins but, the Hartke is practically brand new, and I'd really like to keep the Yorkie just in case the GK ever gives me problems I'll have a back up. And if they give me at least a few $10 dollar bills for the Fender (quite old and beat up) I'll be happy. I think I'd be able to possibly even grab a 412 for the 2 cabs. Who knows.....
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    Well far be it for me to pick gear for you, but you're almost always better off selling gear outright than trading it in.
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  18. B-string

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    True dat.
  19. gregmon79

    gregmon79 We've come to kill gods...... Supporting Member

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    No no I got'chya guys, I don't want you to pick my equip for me, I'm just curious if any of you have a lot of experience with trading in used gear for newer/used gear at a "major chain". Probably Sam Ash. Either way, thanks for all the info guys, this forum and all you
    have given me a lot of ideas/advice and its always appreciated. So, thanks!
  20. B-string

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    Trades are usually a bad deal for you, good deal for them. If you are lucky they give 1/2 of the going used price.

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