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Good J's for slap

Discussion in 'Pickups & Electronics [BG]' started by DWBass, Aug 26, 2012.

  1. DWBass

    DWBass The Funkfather Supporting Member

    Jan 24, 2003
    Newport News, VA via NYC
    Disclosures:
    Kohlman Bassworks
    Here's my issue....just received a custom bass with my choice of pickups (Bartolini 59J1's mated to an Audere pre). The bass kills when I'm playing fingerstyle by when slapping, it totally disappears in the mix. Just totally thins out. No booty at all! No issues with any of my other basses (Lakland 55-01 w/stock pups and US Fender Jazz w/Bart Classic Series Single Coil Brights). I am a fan of Barts but I don't know about these particular pickups. Any info provided would be greatly appreciated.

    Any recommendations?
     
  2. Mystic Michael

    Mystic Michael Hip No Ties Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 1, 2004
    New York, NY
    Not sure what you're getting at here... :meh:

    If you're asking for recommendations, try a set of DiMarzio Ultra Jazz. Wonderful slap tone. Crisp yet refined, with lots of booty. Really nice for any kind of funk, contemporary electric jazz, R&B, adult contemporary / smooth jazz, etc. etc. :cool:

    MM
     
  3. Frenchy-Lefty

    Frenchy-Lefty

    Sep 8, 2009
    Agree on UltraJazz. I had used those Barts for many years and grew to dislike them because precisely, they disappear in the mix and have no upper mids which is what makes a bass cut through. They are most likely the culprit.
     
  4. joelb79

    joelb79 Supporting Member

    Mar 22, 2006
    Lansing, Michigan
    Ultra Jazz have this built in slap tone that just works well for that. But I'll go against the grain and recommend a similar design and sounding pickup made by the same people: Sadowsky Hum-cancelling J's.
     
  5. ebladeboi123

    ebladeboi123 Supporting Member

    Jul 11, 2005
    Oberlin, Oh
    Kinda funny. I have a pair of the dimarzio Ultra Jazzes in my franken j. And now that I think about it- that bass definitely sounds the best slapped out of my collection...
     
  6. DWBass

    DWBass The Funkfather Supporting Member

    Jan 24, 2003
    Newport News, VA via NYC
    Disclosures:
    Kohlman Bassworks
    Cool. Thanks for the recommendations. I'll be ditching those pickups quickly!
     
  7. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's not the pickups. If they work fine fingerstyle, why would they not work for slap? Something else is wrong. Like the setup, maybe.
     
  8. seang15

    seang15 Supporting Member

    Aug 28, 2008
    Cary NC
    Another bass player helped by this forum. It really, just, ...tugs at the heartstrings.

    (I promised myself I wouldn't cry!!)

    Edit: I didn't see that last message throwing a wrench in the mix lol :-/
     
  9. phillybass101

    phillybass101

    Jan 12, 2011
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    Endorsing Artist: Brubaker Guitars, Tecamp Bass Players Gear
    I have a smilar problem. I thought it was my technique or maybe I needed to use a compressor. When I play fingestyle the volume is there. At the same volume when I slap I don't get the same volume. I broke my thumb years ago and wondered if that was the problem. At a recent gig I literally sprained my thumb slapping so hard to make up the volume deficit. Looks like I need to look into different pickups as well.
     
  10. DWBass

    DWBass The Funkfather Supporting Member

    Jan 24, 2003
    Newport News, VA via NYC
    Disclosures:
    Kohlman Bassworks
    Glad it's not just me. It's weird! The sound just thins out completely and there is no booty whatsoever! I'm a decent slapper and don't have that issue with my other basses. I'm thinking the pickups just can't handle the percussive effect of slapping.
     
  11. DWBass

    DWBass The Funkfather Supporting Member

    Jan 24, 2003
    Newport News, VA via NYC
    Disclosures:
    Kohlman Bassworks
    Nothing wrong with the setup. Neck is straight, action is low. The strings are Ernie Ball Slinky's medium gauge. I normally use medium light gauge but my tech said with 34" scale, I should use a heavier gauge to achieve the same tension as my 35" scale Lakland. I don't think it's the strings but it could be. I typically use D'Addario XL's. Maybe I'll try changing strings and see what happens. I'm not really a fan of Slinky's but wanted to try something different. Maybe some DR's.
     
  12. How's it do unplugged? Do you hear the same volume disparity?
     
  13. I'd suggest keeping the pickups and readjusting your volume on the bass so that you can boost it a bit before slapping. The Bartolini Js are fantastic sounding pickups.
     
  14. Frenchy-Lefty

    Frenchy-Lefty

    Sep 8, 2009
    I use D'Addario XL's on my Yamaha TRB1005 but on my jazz bass they never worked for slapping as they were too mid-heavy. On a Jazz I recommend DR HiBeams or Marcus Miller.
     
  15. Mystic Michael

    Mystic Michael Hip No Ties Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 1, 2004
    New York, NY
    Couldn't hurt...

    Yep. Hi-Beams or Fat Beams are the way to go... :bassist:

    MM
     
  16. cfsporn

    cfsporn

    Aug 20, 2011
    New York City
    I love the slap tone with EMGs. Then again, I like EMG pups, so take my words with a grain of salt.
     
  17. king_biscuit

    king_biscuit Supporting Member

    May 21, 2006
    US
    The Sadowsky and the Ultra are basically the same pickup, but the Sadowsky has radiused pole pieces (that match the curvature of the fretboard) which I like.
     
  18. bottomzone

    bottomzone

    Oct 21, 2005
    I'm fairly certain that Melvin Lee Davis uses Seymour Duncan pickups and pre in his KSD j-bass:



    Hope this helps.

    A Groove is a Terrible Thing to Waste! :cool:
     
  19. trjazzluva05

    trjazzluva05

    Jul 14, 2005
    Atlanta, GA
    Yeah I had the same setup modded in a Fender Highway One and it just didn't cut slap wise but killed in finger tone. I ended up selling the bass off and got a Marcus Miller Jazz...not a problem since.
     
  20. Feral Feline

    Feral Feline Supporting Member

    Agree with Kwesi, and go further to suggest a boost pedal with some EQ capabilities built into it.

    Empress Para EQ or something similar...?
     



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