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Got 15/6/1. Add F115 or ML212?

Discussion in 'Amps [BG]' started by smeet, Jan 13, 2014.


  1. smeet

    smeet Gold Supporting Member

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    As the title says, my main cab is a fEARful 15/6/1 with true 3-way x-over. I want to get another cabinet for bigger gigs and bigger sound. I'm looking at a Baer ML212 and a fEARless F115. My amps are a ShuttleMax 9.2 and a Mesa M9 Carbine. Which cabinet should I get? I've never heard either one in person. I want to maximize my flexibility for tone and volume options.

    It seems like the F115 is quite similar to the 15/6/1, so they might work well together as a modular rig, plus it has a great form factor. The ML212 might be a good standalone big cab, and will give me a different sound. But I've heard some say it might not be the best cabinet to use with the M9, since the combo gives too much high-mid gankiness.

    Any thoughts or advice for me?
     
  2. georgestrings

    georgestrings Banned

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    If it were me, I'd probably have a 15sub built - that seems like a fairly modular setup that could handle pretty much anything with the right amp...


    - georgestrings
     
  3. CL400Peavey

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    +1
     
  4. jeff7bass

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    +2. You don't want one expensive cab putting out more sound than the other expensive cab.

    The ML212 would be an AWESOME standalone cab or a pair of them would kill though.
     
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  6. smeet

    smeet Gold Supporting Member

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    Yeah, I don't think I would try to run them together. Would the ML212 put out good strong lows, a powerful B string? My Nordy VP5 is THiCK down there.
     
  7. CL400Peavey

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    If you like what you get out of the 15/6/1, I dont see the voicing of the ML212 giving you that level of low end at volume.
     
  8. jeff7bass

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    Unless your are bi-amping, which removes SOME of the bad variables that can lead to uneven sound distribution, mixing drivers like that can lead to unwanted results. A sure bet is a 115 sub (by the same manufacturer with the same driver) or an identical cab altogether. Since the 3-way will be up in the air (on top of the 115 sub), you probably won't need another 3 way cab, plus it will weigh less and cost less.
     
  9. mbelue

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    You always have the option 12/6/1 cube if you want a standalone cab that works great with what you have. Should sound almost identical, only less when alone and more when together.
    It's the tombowlus fF stack.
     
  10. Jim Carr

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    +1

    IMHO, there is little point in adding cabinets to a 15/6/1 that are not designed to use the same EQ contour as the fEARful. the 15sub IS designed to work with the fEARful. Of course you could add a second 15/6/1 instead. :D

    Question: Why? :confused:
     
  11. smeet

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    Why? I started thinking about it because one of each is/was available used in the classifieds.

    The F115 has a great form factor (small and kickback-able), so it could be used as a smaller rig, and its voice should be similar to the 15/6/1, so it might work well stacked also.

    The ML212 I wouldn't use at the same time as the 15/6/1, but it might be a great standalone cabinet that would give me the ability to get a very different sound than the fEARful, and might actually be louder (4 ohm, emphasis on the high mids).

    Come on guys, I understand that the ideal matchup when stacking is another fEARful. That's not what I asked. I'm asking which might give me a wider range of possibilities when added to my cabinet collection.
     
  12. CL400Peavey

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    Personally if you dont need more volume the F115 is pretty sweet.

    If you want a more "rock" voiced the cab Roger Baer is a class act, and so are his product.
     
  13. Jim Carr

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    Sorry, I misread the OP. For more flexibility, IMHO, going smaller is better. IMHO, I can get just about anything I want in terms of tone or volume out of the fEARfuls, but the fact is a 15/6/1 isn't small or terribly light.

    My vote is "none of the above." I'm looking at some of Duke's Thunderchild-related creations. At the same time, for more fEARful goodness, I am seeking an Anchak-built 15sub.
     
  14. rpsands

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    Sack up and get an F215 :)
     
  15. smeet

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    You mean, money-sack up? I'd love to. Will you sponsor me?
     
  16. smeet

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    Yeah, I was thinking about building myself a 12/6 or 12/6/1 cube. But then I saw these nice cabs in the classifieds, and I was all wha? And then it was like whoa. Dude. Ya know?

    Maybe I'll look again at building a cube. I wonder how much it would cost if I didn't use a cut kit...
     
  17. ::::BASSIST::::

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    12/6 cube would be the route I'd go. Nice light cab for rehearsals and smaller gigs and a great match when you want to bring the thunder.
     
  18. smeet

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    Except... I always wondered. If I turn up loud enough to push the 15/6/1, I'll blow the little 12/6 cube, right? So I have to limit the volume to what I would get with two 12/6's, right?
     
  19. ::::BASSIST::::

    ::::BASSIST:::: Progress Not Perfection. Supporting Member

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    True... but thats going to be *really* loud!
     
  20. mbelue

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    Not really. The 15/6 is more sensitive so it will be somewhat louder then two 12/6s.
    I'm also sure that neither of your amps have enough output to hurt a 12/6/1.
     
  21. wcriley

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    Going by Eminence's specs, each should handle the same amount of power. As mbelue wrote above, though, the 3015LF will be a tad louder with equal power.
     

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