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hired gun (sorry-not-sorry)

Discussion in 'Band Management [BG]' started by hernameisrio, Dec 7, 2013.


  1. hernameisrio

    hernameisrio

    Sep 27, 2011
    Brooklyn, NY
    This is the first band I've walked away from where it was actually really hard to think of giving them up...I enjoyed playing with them and they're really nice people, but I've hit this turning point (tipping point? ha) in my life where honestly, I want to be a "hired gun" and I want to make money. I realize not everyone aspires to this...but I do and I'd rather just SAY that than get involved with people who don't have the same goals as I do.

    So, I decided I'd be better off simply going after that and focusing on my personal goals as a bassist, than staying with a project that doesn't pay, even though it was fun. The band was very surprised but I made it clear that this was nothing personal against them and offered to play the next couple of gigs until they find a replacement, if necessary, since I kinda caught them off-guard.

    In the meantime, I'm working on my online presence and recording some new demo tracks this weekend, and I have a cover band audition tomorrow night. If any of you have any wisdom to impart upon me when it comes to making money off this, please feel free to share whether in this thread or via private message. You know, how you started, what your policies are, what your invoices might look like, some of the positive experiences you've had. I feel like so much of what I read in the Band Management forum is about "bad breakups" so it would be nice to read some happier posts!
     
  2. know/learn lots of tunes
    be an on-the-fly fast study
    be available and affordable

    And don't stare at your fret board - look up and SIMILE!!!
     
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  4. David Hayes

    David Hayes Guest

    Don't waste time on bands that aren't already making money.
     
  5. Desirsar

    Desirsar

    Mar 1, 2013
    Kansas
    So you're willing to play with a pick if a paying gig asks? :)
     
  6. s4001

    s4001

    Feb 2, 2009
    Joe's advice is spot on. However, it's unlikely (not impossible) that you'll be quitting your day job for it. You'll expand your sphere of friends and have some GAS money.
     
  7. lfmn16

    lfmn16 Supporting Member

    Sep 21, 2011
    charles town, wv
    If you show up on-time, prepared, sober, ready to play, and drama free you will be ahead of 95% of your competition.
     
  8. I hear ya, hernameisrio.
    My musicianship has to have purpose to be meaningful to me. Playing for the fun of it IS FUN but, as busy as I am, I don't see the point of sitting around plinking just for fun. If I'm not moving forward I'm stagnating. Ever since my clubbing days I have never found purpose in getting together for the sake of just jamming. It sounds hardnosed but that's just my thing. Even at the age of 53 and having been playing for 38 years I'm still a student and have lots left for the future.
    Be as versatile as you can and you'll get more jobs.
    Do whatever you can to advance your skills.
    Stay positive.
     
  9. theduke1

    theduke1 Supporting Member

    Dec 22, 2010
    Manitowoc WI
    That is the way I've gone. No long term relationship with 100gigs booked out. I have a few groups I help out. They call if I'm free I play. I know their stuff I'm on time don't Over indulge can sing back up or cover lead singing if needed. I make a few bucks they pick me up. Life is great.
     
  10. theduke1

    theduke1 Supporting Member

    Dec 22, 2010
    Manitowoc WI
    Oh and my gear never fails me. If something gives me grief it is repaired or replaced before I step stage.
     
  11. theduke1

    theduke1 Supporting Member

    Dec 22, 2010
    Manitowoc WI
    I'm always ready I play every day learn song and styles new to me sometimes learning is n more fun than the gig. 61.5 years young still jamming
    Rock on
    Love & Peace
     
  12. two fingers

    two fingers You tahkin 'uh me? Yeah, you. You tahkin 'uh me? Supporting Member

    Feb 7, 2005
    Eastern NC USA
    Big +1 to everything theduke said. I'm at the same place. No commitment and the phone rings off the hook. I take the shows I want and turn down the ones I don't. They all know my terms and conditions (and minimum fees). All that flexibility and I still play more than I really want to. I should have done this years ago. I'll probably never join a band again (unless I start my own). Band drama is for the birds. Hired gun is where the money and flexibility is. Plus you get to play all kinds of music with lots of different people. And the second you run into any drama you simply (calmly) suggest that they lose your phone number.
    Why anyone would be a full-time member of a band is beyond me. Musicians are weirdos. (Insert winky smiley thingy of your choice here).
     
  13. hernameisrio

    hernameisrio

    Sep 27, 2011
    Brooklyn, NY
    Duh! :D
     
  14. hernameisrio

    hernameisrio

    Sep 27, 2011
    Brooklyn, NY
    two_fingers, I like your philosophy and I agree with you. So what sorts of gigs have you had? Do you travel a lot?
     
  15. theduke1

    theduke1 Supporting Member

    Dec 22, 2010
    Manitowoc WI
    I am unable to use a pick because I am left-handed playing righhanded. So they get what I can do. I've never had any problems covering what was needed.
     
  16. LOL. That's to funny. :D

    :hyper::bassist::hyper:
     
  17. PAC

    PAC Banned

    Nov 22, 2013
    You gotta be there for one of two reasons. Fun or profit. Run it as a business and you should have no trouble.

    Paul

    :bassist:
     
  18. kellyrojo

    kellyrojo

    Feb 16, 2011
    South Carolina
    I guess I am a hired gun in a band hybrid. I am a hired gun/sub for 3 bands and I have 3 other projects that I am a "part of."being able to play well is the first thing... Being on time with pro gear and not messing your schedule up number 2. Learning lots of musical styles 3. Its a fun way to go and I have had only one gig free weekend since august...
     
  19. theduke1

    theduke1 Supporting Member

    Dec 22, 2010
    Manitowoc WI
    Joe Locale
    Why do you find my inability to us a pick funny? We all have our shortcomings that just happens to be mine.
     
  20. theduke1

    theduke1 Supporting Member

    Dec 22, 2010
    Manitowoc WI
  21. Hankenstein

    Hankenstein Supporting Member

    Jul 7, 2010
    Piermont, New York
    What he said
     



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