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Discussion in 'Amps [BG]' started by pannick, Nov 22, 2013.

  1. pannick

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    Hey Gang,
    I am new here obviously. I am usually a guitar player but a couple of buddies want to put a blues band together and asked me to play bass. While I haven't done this a a few years I can play blues okay but like I said I have not done bass in a while.

    I am looking at picking one of the Toby basses to get started with but want opinions on an amp for small club gigging.

    I was thinking about a Fender Rumble 75 but it seems like your can much more for a better price. I have always been a Fender or Peavey amp guy. I have one of each for guitar with also a small Vox.

    I am looking at these two amps. One is a Peavey, the other is an acoustic. I hope that it is okay that I paste the links to them. I am not a sales person.

    Thanks

    Peavy Max 112 200 Watt - http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MAX112V2?gclid=COuC7fCI-boCFcVQ7AodU3oAvQ

    Acoustic B100MKII - http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/acoustic-b100mkii-100w-bass-combo-amp
  2. stonewall

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    You sound young and your band is prolly gonna be loud get a minuimun 200 watts or 300 watts to be safe.If you cant afford new go used $250 to $300 will buy you a decent little used amp good luck.Have fun i used to play guitar 25 plus years experience im soooo glad i switch to bass.
  3. pannick

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    I am actually 51 yr and have learned no so loud the better. I love the chance to do an all blues band so I will gladly play bass to do it. If I could use a 50 or 100 watt and mic through a PA I would be happy.

    Heck the bass player in my current band (classic rock) has 300 watt GK and it drives me crazy loud.
  4. dhsierra1

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    if you're on a budget, wanting to gig, and like Peavey then you might want to look at a used Peavey Firebass or Nitrobass head and a TVX-410 cab. You can likely pick the whole shebang up for around 300 total.

    SWR Workingman 410 is another good bargain choice.

    You really want to have around 300 watts and something like a 410 (or two 210s), 212, or 215 (or two 1-15s) cab for gigging. If you need more firepower then you'll be plugged into FOH for that. You want the wattage for clean headroom, not volume so much.
  5. Downunderwonder

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    Generally you want some horsepower for the times you play outside or venues without bass capable PA.
  6. will33

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    Good for you.:)

    Still though, it just plain takes more power and speakers to make a bass an equivelent loudness as a guitar. The "300 watts + a 410 or equivalent" being mentioned here is pretty much what we need to keep up with a hard-hitting drummer and something like a Fender DeVille or so turned up a ways. A Twin Reverb....forget it, that's when we bring cabs like 810's, 215's or 412's.

    The combo's you linked to won't keep up with a drumkit unless they're extremely controlled and playing with rods. The guitarist in a deal like that would be running something like a Blues Jr. played clean.

    Something in between the aforementioned big rigs and your combo's would likely be a good fit. Say 150-200 watts or so with a quality 15" or pair of 10" speakers would do it. I'd just see that it had the capabibility to connect an addition speaker cabinet to it for times when you might need to go louder. A single very high quality (read expensive) 12" speaker might get you there. A pair of average to good quality ones certainly would.


    You do need some amount of power to make the speakers move, but on bass, in general, more speakers get you a louder, or just general fuller sound than throwing more power into fewer speakers does.


    I'd look at stuff that is the next step up the ladder from the combo's you linked to. Lots of good deals on quality used gear these days. Peavey is quality stuff. Quality used gear is better than budget new gear.
  7. pannick

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    Thanks so far for the responses. So you are saying that I really need to go at least 250 - 300watts even for a small 3 pieces blues band. Now I should say that we aren't going to be cranking SRV all of the time but more old style traditional blues then mix in some Ana Popovic or Coco Montoya stuff.
  8. BassCliff

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    Hi,

    If you only have one rig, I agree that a ~300w head and a 410 cabinet will work great everywhere. It's my favorite type of rig. Once you're really into it, and you WILL be, you'll want to start collecting different amps and cabinets, and maybe a little combo-amp, for different specific situations.

    I applaud your willingness to play bass in your band. Blues bands are fun! And you are mature enough to play BASS as opposed to sounding like a frustrated guitar player who's been "relegated" to playing bass. No need to be all that busy. Just lay it down and let everyone else build on your foundation. Besides the front man, I think the bass part is the most important part of the band. :D

    Please post up some recordings or video once you guys get going. I'd love to hear you. [​IMG]


    Thank you for your indulgence,

    BassCliff
  9. will33

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    150 watts or better and a good quality 15 would take care of that. If you end up with more power than that, fine. Solid state power is pretty cheap these days. The jump from 100 watts to 300 doesn't usually mean much more cost.

    I believe Peavey makes a combo right in that range. Don't know if it's the Max or Tour series.

    Like I said, look at stuff that's the next step up the ladder from the Max 112. A Gallien-Krueger MB115 would also do the trick.
  10. pannick

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    Funny thing about it BassCliff. It was buddy from work who drums and has a friend who plays guitar. They have been coming to watch my band and got frustrated because the rest of their band doesn't want to play out so they asked me about myself and my bass player joining them. I mentioned what about I play bass and we try to put a little blues thing together. They liked the idea so now I am gear hunting.

    I used play bass in an original band for a few years. I have a big Peavey TNT, Fender Jazz, A Squier & an cheap Ibanez. I got back into playing guitar in a country band and not the one that I am in so I sold that stuff. Who would have thought that I would be looking again.
  11. dhsierra1

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    a TNT combo (w/in the last 10 years) would do the trick nicely and you can always snag another Peavey 15 cab if you need more volume.

    Adding more speakers instead of wattage is the way to go and 200 watts with 2-15s is about as much as you'll likely need in your situation.
  12. BbbyBld

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    The Max 112 II ain't no joke. I think it would do the job. It won't deliver sub bass like a 410, but it's loud as hell. I think it gets overlooked around these parts because it's inexpensive.
  13. Mosfed

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    100 tube watts or 200 solid state should do you right. I am a big fan of 4x10s but they can be a pain to get right. Check out the Ampeg micro-vr or micro-cl with the matching cabs. Those would do you great.
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    Thanks I am in N Central, Fl and watch the Gainesville & Ocala areas.
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    On a budget I would go for the Max450 head and one of the sub-$200 cabs, or the Ampeg BA115 combo.

    Moving to the other end of the spectrum....I did include a Sunn 1200s and an Ampeg B25B with matching cab in there. :D
  17. HeavyRockBasser

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    My advice would be to buy as much amp as you can get, without breaking your back or your wallet. You might not need the extra volume now, but you could in the future. And, with a larger amp, you won't have to push it as hard, saving on the wear and tear that comes from pushing the limits of a smaller amp.

    Just be aware that with more power usually comes more weight, so make sure you consider that you're going to be lugging this around for a while.
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    Any of those 115 combo's would handle your gig fine. The Peavey TNT is an old standby. The Fender BXR's can be sort of a hidden gem sometimes.

    The other rigs listed are the next step up in power/loud. Probably overkill for your blues gig, but you'd be ready for anything else you might find yourself doing.

    Most new stuff isn't going to sound any better than the good older stuff, but, due to advances in speaker and amplifier technology, some of the new stuff can be considerably smaller/lighter/easier to carry around while still getting loud enough to gig and keeping good tone. That can be a real benefit for older folks. I am of the opinion that if you're going to complain about hauling gear, you should've taken up the piccolo instead of the bass :D , but, no sense hauling big heavy stuff if you don't have to. :)


    In case you couldn't tell, I love craigslist and pawnshops. I've been able to find anything I've ever wanted and haven't had to buy anything new other than strings in years. :)
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    Also note, the Gallien-Krueger Fusion 550 listed in Gainsville is one fantastic amp and the guy is way underpriced with it. Here's hoping there's nothing wrong with the amp and he just really needs the money.
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    I also think that an Ampeg BA115 combo, or an older B100R if you can find one would be right up your alley for your blues trio. They'll go loud enough for that and have the nice fat, warm tone right out of the box that would sound just great for that, especially with a Fender Precision bass. Those are the best basses, they're more precise than all the others.


    From the new line of stuff, Ampeg has come out with a new, modern take on the old portaflexes. The pf350 with a 115 fliptop cab would also put you right where you need to be for your group, and have a look to match. I'd stay away from the 500 models though...way too many problems with them crapping out on people when they're still pretty new. They're budget chinese stuff, but the 350's are good, and those cabs will make a lot of different amps sound "ampeggy".

    Something to consider if you're looking at new stuff, but I still think you'd be just fine with a "strong" 115 combo from just about any company.

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