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If you had 2 Eminence 3012LF's lying around, what would you do with them?

Discussion in 'Amps [BG]' started by ryansalmond, Apr 1, 2014.


  1. ryansalmond

    ryansalmond

    Nov 21, 2007
    Just curious for thoughts/ideas.
     
  2. Arjank

    Arjank

    Oct 9, 2007
    Above Amsterdam
    1. sell 'm
    2. build a 12/12/6
     
  3. CL400Peavey

    CL400Peavey Supporting Member

    Nov 7, 2011
    Grand Rapids Michigan
  4. AstroSonic

    AstroSonic Supporting Member

    Dec 10, 2009
    rural New Mexico
    First I would have a need for a compact, full range bass cabinet designed to cleanly produce wide band sound at a target spl in a performing venue setting. Then I would design the cab and model crossovers around candidate drivers (woofers, mids and tweeters). Then I would order the parts, confirm the TS specs, adjust cab tuning as needed, and build. Then i would test and tweak as needed.

    The 3012lF is not the best 12 inch bass guitar driver or even the best 12 inch 'sub' driver. It's only the best if it meets a particular set of needs (performance targets). If you are thinking of building a bass cab, what are your performance targets? Once you have these, realize that the woofer choice and cab design are not nearly as challenging as the crossover design. It is probably safer, and certainly easier to pick a design of known quality, that meets your performance targets. The suggestion of the 12/12/6 is a good one… if it meets your needs.
     
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    (If I were you) I'd build a fEARful 212 and put a little horn in it like I did.
    It's my favourite cab.
     
  7. Bassmec

    Bassmec

    May 9, 2008
    Ipswich UK
    Disclosures:
    Proprietor Springvale Studios
    Light weight Neodymium rare earth in ear monitors.:)?
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    :D
     
  8. fnordlyone

    fnordlyone Supporting Member

    Jun 12, 2013
    south Louisiana
  9. ryansalmond

    ryansalmond

    Nov 21, 2007
    Cool. Thanks for the input guys!
     
  10. fnordlyone

    fnordlyone Supporting Member

    Jun 12, 2013
    south Louisiana
    damn it, i'll bite:
    Where did that photo come from and how can I purchase one? :hyper:

    fnord!
     
  11. phillybass101

    phillybass101

    Jan 12, 2011
    Disclosures:
    Endorsing Artist: Brubaker Guitars, Tecamp Bass Players Gear
    I'd experiment. Buy some plywood and make a cab similar to what Xsonics and Glasstone are doing.
     
  12. CL400Peavey

    CL400Peavey Supporting Member

    Nov 7, 2011
    Grand Rapids Michigan
    Not worth it. One of those drivers needs more air space than either of those designs provide. Two in there would be a waste.
     
  13. phillybass101

    phillybass101

    Jan 12, 2011
    Disclosures:
    Endorsing Artist: Brubaker Guitars, Tecamp Bass Players Gear
    It's been awhile since I've been on TB now I remember why. The OP asked for suggestions. I gave my opinion and you step all on it. He was asking me and I answered. Give your own opinion and leave mine alone. I don't know why you just didn't state what you would do and leave it at that. But I do now know what a troll is.
     
  14. CL400Peavey

    CL400Peavey Supporting Member

    Nov 7, 2011
    Grand Rapids Michigan
    Some people would rather see the OP get good results, and not waste his hard earned cash.

    My opinion is that he should get good results. If you dont share that opinion you are not helping him, you are hurting him. Dont act so indignant.
     
  15. jasper383

    jasper383 Supporting Member

    Dec 5, 2004
    Durham NC
  16. Sundogue

    Sundogue Supporting Member

    Apr 26, 2001
    Wausau, WI
    Put them in a dual 18" scoop PA cab. The sound will be huge.



    NOTE: The OP wanted opinions, so that's mine. Don't jump all over it just because it's stupid.
     
  17. Fact, those are subwoofer drivers with poor bass mids.

    Opinion, a very few people like the sound of subs run full range.

    If you need subs, build subs. BFM's subs are louder than fearful thanks to horn design, but big cabs!

    Otherwise, 3-way cabs or sell them.
     
  18. floydman

    floydman Supporting Member

    Sep 27, 2002
    southeast CT
    the 12+12+6 would be awesome. for more flexibility I would probably build a 12/6 and 12sub. pass on the tweeters, I get plenty of highs from the 18sound 6".
     
  19. ::::BASSIST::::

    ::::BASSIST:::: Progress Not Perfection.

    Sep 2, 2004
    Vancouver, BC Canada
    I use a couple of 3012LF drivers. One is paired with a 18sound 6 inch mid driver and the other is in a box by itself. I built the 12/6 myself and bought the 12sub from a fellow DIYer... goes by Cableguy here on TB.

    The design is by this guy who calls himself 'greenboy' and the name of the design is 'fEARful'.

    They are hands down the best cabs I've ever owned or played thru.
     
  20. 1n3

    1n3

    Sep 13, 2007
    USA
    Everything I've read on the BFM site indicates that the Simplex 12 designs are better-suited to full-range drivers like the Deltalite and Beta 12s. Those drivers will cross to a tweeter better than a dedicated woofer like the 3012LF.
     
  21. DukeLeJeune

    DukeLeJeune rational romantic mystic cynical idealist Gold Supporting Member Commercial User

    Nov 24, 2008
    Preston, Idaho
    Disclosures:
    Owner & designer, AudioKinesis; Auth. mfg, Big E (Home Audio only)
    The 3012LF can be combined with a good horn-loaded compression driver in a high quality two-way system. I've used it in two-way systems for high-end home audio, studio monitoring, and light PA duty. The crossover work required to get the 3012LF to sound good in such applications isn't trivial, but neither is it unreasonably demanding. It does have an anomaly that is easy to overlook in the measured response, but also easy to address once the designer is aware of it. I have people using my two-way 3012LF bass cabs to amplify a wide variety of instruments, not just bass guitar.

    So imo and ime, the 3012LF is a quite viable woofer that happens to have subwoofer-class excursion.