Is this 1960 P Bass for real. Craigslist KC

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  1. None 2 Pleased

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  2. Gaolee

    Gaolee The Fat Violin Supporting Member

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    I'm no vintage Fender expert, but the bridge sure looks a lot newer than the bass. So do the knobs. You gotta laugh at the headline description - Mint Condition! Yeah, and I'm mint condition, too. But, I'm all original, and I don't think that one is. Maybe it's just the bridge and knobs that have been replaced. You sure can't tell. Assuming it really is a 1960.
     
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    I'd suggest that you go over there and check it out... with a Phillips screwdriver.
     
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    Well.. this one time.. at band camp..
    Hard to say from 2 low resolution pics, but nothing stands out as "wrong" from a glance. But.. when someone's trying to sell a $10K bass for $1450, BE CAREFUL! Who knows what might be under the pickguard?

    BTW, does that bother anyone else when a seller only puts 3 pics up of a bass that expensive, and 2 of them are the same pic!!?? WTH? Why do sooooo many people do that? I see it all the time.
     
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  6. Bill Whitehurst

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    If you do go by to check it out in person,
    the neck may not have date.
    Some 59 & 60s don't.
    It seems that one day someone wrote an obsenity
    on one, so Leo told them to just stop writing on the necks.

    As far as I know, that was the only period when they had nothing at all on them.

    The pots should have date codes on them, thouogh.
     
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    The seller uses dealer sales blather in his description - "tone for days", "slab board", "she's a featherweight". There is NO WAY he doesn't know what the retail value of this bass is. I would approach this with the greatest of skepticism!
     
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    A-Step-Towards Supporting Member

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    Exactly, anyone that knows that knows they could just go into guitar center and they would give him at least double what he is asking.
     
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    Maybe he left one zero off the end of his price by mistake.
     
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    FYI- I saw this bass posted on CL in Columbia, SC for $1300 right before Xmas.

    Owner emailed me a bunch of photos that I have since deleted. She claimed she had just moved to the UK, that the bass was in the possession of FedEx (ready to ship), and that she wanted to conduct the transaction thru fleabay to protect both parties.

    Seemed fishy to me.
     
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    These are always scams. Too good to be true, etc.
     
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    Interesting burst.... I would expect more red in there. Looks almost like tobacco burst.
     
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    Really kind of suspicious because of being way underpriced.
    Also hard to tell but the chrome is way shiny..as in new shiny. Not pitted. Screws are also shiny. Point is, the body is used and beaten up yet the metal parts are pristine and shiny? No... unless the owner had a metal fetish, something is kind of fishy.
    That being said, I've seen some examples of the same model/year. Collector's basses are in great condition throughout- body and metal. Heavily used ones, the screws are tarnished, some rust or tarnish on bridge.
     
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    Chrome seems to be all over the place. Some vintage chrome would make you doubt its authenticity as it is that clean. Other chrome looks like the owner sweated acid onto it.

    Maybe that is the point... the original owner's diet, gut flora etc, influences the pH of their sweat and thus how much they hack into chrome work when they play. I cleaned up my buddy's circa 1998 MIM Jazz bass. That guy sweats acid. Most of the pickguard screws were black with corrosion, as were the pole pieces on the bridge pickup. I've heard of famous players who also rip through chrome and sweat so badly that they kill pickups as their sweat eats into the coils. :ninja:

    I think people 'read' chrome too much based on what some over-zealous relic makers happen to do with etching solution....

    Again, I think that sunburst is odd. It reminds me of a Kay Howlin' Wolf or something.

    [​IMG]

    Maybe an ancient refin?
     
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    Not uncommon in 60-61 bursts for the red to have faded away. IIRC in 62 they addressed the problem and changed the colour a bit.
    The 62s-on usually still have a lot of red left in them.

    On my 60 P the red on the front is almost all gone:
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    though there is a lot more on the rear:
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    and that ad - scamalamadingdong :D
     
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    I've seen this bass before. If I'm not mistaken this same bass was for sell not long ago right here on TB with a bunch of other photos. The text was exactly the same.
     
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    Several issues to clear up. If the owner knows, and he clearly does, the pedigree of the bass then the price is silly. Secondly the scratch plate should show some warping, signs of wear and cracks but it looks brand new. The control knobs look new. The wear between the strings could be authentic as that is the same is mine. The neck looks correct with a very dark rosewood fingerboard, which is a good sign. Tricky to say but somethings not right.

    Would you sell a $10,000 bass on craigslist?

    Davo
     
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    If it were real, I'd hop in my car right now!!!!!
     
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    It's a fake all the way.
     
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