Jeff Berlin chart of gigs which pay if you read/don't read

Discussion in 'General Instruction [BG]' started by bobicidal, Feb 18, 2014.


  1. bobicidal

    bobicidal Supporting Member

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    I was about to wipe my ipad and discovered some photos and videos worth saving including this shot of a whiteboard Jeff Berlin used while doing a clinic at the Guitar Center store in
    San Jose on September 20, 2013.

    The point he made was if you can read music there are more and better jobs for someone who wants a career in music. All answers came from the audience.

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    FYI, He signed it after I suggested he do so because as he said he "ruined the board" by using a Sharpie and I thought instead it was improved and the the manager of the store could keep it and hang it up as a reminder to those who want a career in music should learn to read. I'm not sure where the board ended up - I've never seen it in the store since. I should ask the manager and show him this.
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  3. DiabolusInMusic

    DiabolusInMusic Functionless Art is Merely Tolerated Vandalism Gold Supporting Member

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    Jeff Berlin is easily one of the greatest bass teachers on the planet, his views are divisive but I have seen him flip fantastic players heads upside down with a new concept. I would personally love to take some lessons from Jeff.

    Oh and he is right in a lot of points, like learning to read.
  4. DWBass

    DWBass The Funkfather Supporting Member

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    He's right on a lot of points. Not all of them, though.
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  6. MaHei

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    Porn is a non-reading gig?

    I can hear the producer: "Just follow the cues and play over the ... erm ... changes."

    :D
  7. zon6c-f

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    ME: Slow to marginal reader at best..some skills interpreting charts. Accomplishments.. bar gigs in the
    1980's. A few free sessions..backed up a few folks who believed they were famous and a few who actually were. In person I am a nice guy.

    BERLIN: SKILLS..CHOPS..READS MUSIC WELL..SKILLFUL INTERPRETATION OF CHARTS.. TOO MANY GIGS TO MENTION..RUNS A MUSIC SCHOOL..PROBABLY FAR MORE WEALTHY THAN I AM. APPEARS TO BE SOMETIMES ARROGANT [my opinion] IN MAG COLUMNS OR ON LINE..MAYBE A GREAT GUY IN PERSON..I NEVER MET HIM.
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  9. Bassisgood4U

    Bassisgood4U Banned

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    I'm definitely not qualified to question Jeff Berlin's advice. I just don't think reading would be THAT hard to learn. I've watched scores and animated sheet music on youtube. Once you see how it works, you slap yourself in the head and say "Oh, that's how it's done!".

    The sharps and flats thing sucks, though. Can't they just use colors to represent all that?
  10. Lownote38

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    So sight reading anything isn't that hard?
  11. LazyGecko

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    Wait he came to here to San Jose? And I missed it??!?!??!!!??!
  12. lowfreqgeek

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    So you do or don't read?

    It's not that hard. It takes work. Real, devoted, thoughtful work. But it's not hard.
  13. BassCliff

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    Hi,

    Cool stuff Bob! And thank you for those links Mr. Kmrumedy. I'm going to go home and practice for a while tonight. My solo work needs some help. :rolleyes:


    Thank you for your indulgence,

    BassCliff
  14. Bassisgood4U

    Bassisgood4U Banned

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    I don't read. I could learn to..but there aren't a lot of sessions where I live. I'm not playing in an orchestra, either..where you definitely need such organization. I've never seen a band that I would want to play in, with sheet music onstage. Excuses excuses.

    I could still whip all your butts on bass though. :p
  15. john m

    john m Supporting Member

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    If you become an accomplished reader, you can always choose not to read.

    If you do not become an accomplished reader..........
  16. Bassisgood4U

    Bassisgood4U Banned

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    I have no debate to offer here. Knowing how is better.
  17. Joe Louvar

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    Porn must be code for Rock Star. :D
  18. Bassisgood4U

    Bassisgood4U Banned

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    I think tb should host an event, featuring Jeff Berlin and Anthony Jackson in bass discussion. Lots to learn listening to that.
  19. fdeck

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    Personally I see no reason that a teacher shouldn't give their frank opinion about how basic skills affect gigging prospects for bassists. The fact that the message is being delivered apparently from a soap box doesn't change whether it's true or false.
  20. Fergie Fulton

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    Jeff is on the money with this one....nice to see a few more options on the non -reading side nowadays. But for me it is a simple matter of understanding the lauguage of your craft.
    If for example you wanted to learn English Literature, if the teacher has to read every book to you so you could learn it, not only would that take forever, it would cost a fortune if you were to pay by the hour. But if the teacher can say "Read chapters 1-4 of Oliver Twist and we will discuss it next week" then you in fact can learn on your own time. I would even say you could read the works of Dickens and get a better idea of Dickens as a writer, so help your teacher teach you about Oliver Twist.

    If English Literature was a genre then reading is not about English Litrature.... it is about accumulating knowledge....your teacher teaches you to order and make sense of it. The alphabet is 26 characters ordered with a few basic rules, music is 12 characters ordered with a few basic rules....how hard can it be if the will to learn either is there, and how much can be learned once it is in place on your own time?
  21. Bassisgood4U

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    Don't know about that yet. I'm still watching animated sheet music for songs I already know. It literally looks like it sounds. Once you learn what all the symbols mean, it's like reading a graph. What learning this will really help for, is there are songs that are just too fast for me to decipher.

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