Just another guitard story

Discussion in 'Bass Humor & Gig Stories [BG]' started by remainthesame, Aug 9, 2013.


  1. remainthesame

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    I am in the beginning stages of a new band and as we all know, that can lead to excitement but also frustration.

    The guitarist talked to me about the tone he was getting from his amp, and how he didn't like it. So I offered to dabble with his settings and see what we can work with (one of the things I'm good at is finding a great tone.) So before I started touching any knobs, I asked him to play me a sound clip of something that has a similar tone to what he wanted.

    He shows me, and I was able to replicate it very well but he didn't like when I turned his gain down from 11. He said it sounded harsh, so I turned the gain all the way back up and he was much happier. Although it sounded absolutely nothing like the tone he showed me.

    So the gain is all the way back up and I'm trying to find a way to get that tone which is impossible. I noticed that the tone he wanted was a little more bassy so I asked him to try both pickups instead of just the bridge, he says ok and starts playing. I turn away from the amp after much frustration and I look over and hes still using just the bridge pickup.

    So I set everything back to how he pretty much had it, I ask "hows that?" He said it was great and he was all excited about his "new" tone.

    Man I could use a cigarette right about now.
  2. mcarp555

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    And what have we learned?

    1) Don't screw with someone's settings. Let them do the twiddling.

    2) This guy doesn't know how to change his pickup settings.
  3. remainthesame

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    i was just trying to help, but i do see what you mean.
  4. Batmensch

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    OK, at the risk of being a dwerp, does anybody else besides me find the term "guitard" offensive?
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  6. remainthesame

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    i only use the word when they have done something that i think is stupid. i didnt mean to cause any offense
  7. mellowinman

    mellowinman Antennae Support Specialist Supporting Member

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    I've never much cared for it.

    It's very popular on this site.
  8. mcarp555

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    It's like the old story of teaching a pig to sing. It just wastes your time and annoys the pig.
  9. remainthesame

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    very well put:)
  10. PimasterPearson

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    It's not offensive, but it's lazy and feeds the better-than-thou attitude that so many people on this site have toward non-bass players. Some people are just dumb; it has little if anything to do with what instrument they play.
  11. remainthesame

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    ok now that we have strayed off topic and called me dumb........
  12. BayStateBass

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    I never really thought about it. I'm not one to let a name, phrase, or word really offend me, I'm not sensitive about that stuff. It's people's actions I find offensive.

    As far as trying to adjust someone's tone for them, I tried it once with a guitarist who was having trouble with a particular crunchy sound. It didn't go well, had similar results as the OP.

    Never again, I don't even offer suggestions.

    What was that saying about the pig????
  13. remainthesame

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    is it really that impossible to help somebody find a tone that THEY want?
  14. Lobomov

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    No .. I'm a guitard myself and I'm not offended in any way.


    We all have our stereotype and btw .. it's easier to just write 'Guitard' and already everyone knows, what kinds of problems the thread is going to be about

    While the guitard in this thread does sound a bit clueless, much of the problems are drivers seat problems. You know, every instruments has those, but in all honesty noone else notices or cares.

    One such thing is perhaps the preference to saturate the tubes of the amp slightly, so that they give a bit of compression and sparkle, which adds to playability.

    This makes the guitar feel fast and the tone feels fat. Down side is, that the amp might get slightly too loud, which annoys the rest of the band.

    And with this in mind, yeah ... OP, you might have nailed the sound of that record, but if in doing so you've removed the above effect, then while the sound of the guitar might be right, the feel is blown to hell. It feels thin, there is no sustain, no sparke and playability suffers.

    Judging from your guitards reaction (pushing the gain back up), my guess is that this is what happened once you adjusted his sound. Then instead of listening with his ears, your guitard let his hands listen instead.

    In guessing his hands know what they like, but the guitard is clueless with regards to what creates that feel and doesn't realize that you can't have all sounds and that feeling.
  15. BayStateBass

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    I think so. In my mind, it's a simple case of your ears are not their ears. So the tone and sound you are settling on and seems right to you may be interpreted differently by their brain for any number of reasons. Honestly, I think that all the senses might be that way. I only know what I see and hear and how my brain interprets that input. There's no way I could ever comprehend how another person's brain may interpret that same input, which might be drastically different.
  16. remainthesame

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    very true. thats way i had him show me an example. i figured id be able to get closer to what he wanted that way. but honestly i didnt have a problem with his tone so if hes happy with his "new" tone then i guess i should just be happy that hes happy.
  17. Schlyder

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    Now you can mess with him.... ask him to A/B the "old" tone for you, and then the "new" tone , so you can double check/compare again. :D Maybe record it too. And then say you like the "old" one better when it's the "new" one or visa versa... You could milk this for a few weeks. :p
  18. mellowinman

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    Check again...

    No one called you dumb.
  19. remainthesame

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    i just double checked and i did read it wrong. however we were still straying away from the subject.
  20. Eric_71

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    Same here. I actually kind of like the term.
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