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Lakland 55-02 replacement nut?

Discussion in 'Hardware, Setup & Repair [BG]' started by Lorenzini, Mar 28, 2014.


  1. Lorenzini

    Lorenzini Supporting Member

    Dec 31, 2004
    Los Angeles
    I have a Lakland 55-02 which has a total wrong string placement. Looks like there's way too much space on the B string side compared to the G string side.

    I have a strong doubt that the bridge is incorrectly placed, and am more suspicious of the nut.

    Does anyone know of a direct nut replacement I can purchase?

    Attached is a pic!
     

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  2. Lorenzini

    Lorenzini Supporting Member

    Dec 31, 2004
    Los Angeles
    1 more, closer to the nut
     

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  3. huben94

    huben94 Supporting Member

    Feb 9, 2010
    Glendale
    How about a picture of the bridge?
     
  4. Lorenzini

    Lorenzini Supporting Member

    Dec 31, 2004
    Los Angeles
    Here ya go. Actually looks like it could be total misalignment...
     

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  6. huben94

    huben94 Supporting Member

    Feb 9, 2010
    Glendale
    See if you can correct by moving the bridge saddles a little?
     
  7. Hopkins

    Hopkins Supporting Member Commercial User

    Nov 17, 2010
    Houston Tx
    Disclosures:
    Owner/Builder @Hopkins Guitars
    Loosen the strings, then loosen the neck bolts about half a turn. Then hold it by the upper horn and give the neck a good whack with the palm of your hand towards the upper horn. It doesn't take much movement at all to get the strings out of alignment.

    If that doesn't work, you will have to reposition the bridge, the nut looks fine.
     
  8. Lorenzini

    Lorenzini Supporting Member

    Dec 31, 2004
    Los Angeles
    Hi Hopkins, I tried that. It improved by a millimeter or less. This is definitely improvement, but now the strings/dots/neck borders just looks uniformly offset (all the way from the top of the neck to the bottom).

    It's better, but I could do with it all moving a mm or 2 to the B string side.

    The problem I'm encountering with this is that the A string is quieter than the rest of the strings (a drastic 2-3 dB). Lakland claims that a tiny percentage of their MM/J basses have this.

    I'm convinced that it's because of the overall string offset. I could be wrong. Additional pointers? :help:
     
  9. MattyH

    MattyH

    Jul 20, 2010
    You can try tweaking here and there, but unfortunately this is a COMMON problem for 55-02's. I owned 2 with the same thing. Ive played about 11 others with the same thing. I never noticed it while playing, but everyone is different. If you notice it then trying to get an alignment might serve you well. Just know its not damaged or shotty. This is just how they are. 9/10 Lakland 55-02's I've come into contact with had this.
     
  10. Lorenzini

    Lorenzini Supporting Member

    Dec 31, 2004
    Los Angeles
    Hi MattyH, thanks for the reply!

    Are you talking about misaligned necks or a quieter A string?

    Sounds like a problem with their machines in Korea/Indonesia!
     
  11. Turnaround

    Turnaround

    May 6, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Disclosures:
    Instrument Technician, Club Bass and Guitar - Toronto

    I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish here. If you are looking to centre the A string over the fingerboard dots, they shouldn't line up - the A string should be slightly to the south of the centre of the dots. However, the B string and the G string should be about an equal distance from the edges of the fingerboard. From the photo, I see no problem with the nut.
     
  12. Lorenzini

    Lorenzini Supporting Member

    Dec 31, 2004
    Los Angeles
    Fine on the nut, fine on the distance of the strings over the dots.

    However, what I'm trying to accomplish is a bass which is balanced volume-wise string to string.

    Additionally, I just want a bass which has a B and G string equal distance from the edges of the fingerboard.

    Don't get me wrong this 55-02 is amazing. It's lightweight, sounds great, sets up and plays great. However, the A string is quieter and I see that it has a slightly misaligned neck.

    I am just looking for some sage advice :)
     
  13. Hopkins

    Hopkins Supporting Member Commercial User

    Nov 17, 2010
    Houston Tx
    Disclosures:
    Owner/Builder @Hopkins Guitars
    You may need to dowel the bridge holes and reposition it slightly towards the B string.
     
  14. Turnaround

    Turnaround

    May 6, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Disclosures:
    Instrument Technician, Club Bass and Guitar - Toronto
    Yes, I think the issue is neck alignment. You are sure you can't shift the neck a bit more to the B side by loosening the bolts, pushing the neck over and retightening? That's usually the solution for the alignment problem. It probably won't help the weaker A string though. Check the height of the A string over the pickup compared to the E string - could it be that the A string saddle is too high?
     
  15. 96tbird

    96tbird PLEASE STAND BY

    Shift the neck. Get someone to help tighten it back down as you hold it. All bolt ons may encounter this.

    Seemingly, not only Fender suffer as some guys would make believe.
     
  16. narud

    narud Supporting Member

    Mar 15, 2001
    santa maria,california
    Pretty sure those pickups are bar magnets and not pole pieces so the mis alignment shouldn't be causing the quieter a string volume.

    Not sure if they'll swap in, but you could try swapping in the saddles off the fender deluxe bridge. Those have the multiple string slots which could be used to skew the strings over to the left. Hipshot makes the lakland bridge and I saw jonno over in the a/c thread a while back had a hipshot b bridge with the adjustable saddles but they aren't a regular option.
     
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  17. JLS

    JLS Supporting Member

    Sep 12, 2008
    Emeryville, Ca
    Disclosures:
    I setup & repair guitars & basses
    The perceived weakness of the A string, and the actual--though minor--string alignment issue, are separate. Loosen the neck screws a tiny bit, and I mean not even 1/8 of a turn, leave the strings at tension, and see if you can pull the neck into better alignment. Put the bass between your knees with the low strings closest to you, grab the upper horn, grab the neck close to the nut, and gave it a firm yank. You may hear a creak or a crack, THIS IS GOOD, IT MEANS THE NECK MOVED! Recheck the alignment, and retighten the neck screws,

    A weak string is nearly always a weak string.

    This was rotten string alignment: http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f18/new-esp-surveyor-415-bass-fixes-modifications-806852/
     
  18. Lorenzini

    Lorenzini Supporting Member

    Dec 31, 2004
    Los Angeles
    Thanks, I did do this and it definitely moved the neck into better position! It's better though not perfect. Definitely within a reasonable range :)
     
  19. Lorenzini

    Lorenzini Supporting Member

    Dec 31, 2004
    Los Angeles
    Killer idea. Thanks for the info on the pickups being bar magnets. However, at this point the alignment (with the advice and help of everyone in this thread) is definitely acceptable!

    Now the quieter string volume is the mystery, per Lakland caused by an anomaly in magnetic fields coming from the pickups. Since the alignment isn't fixing it, I'm going to try a different pickup. Aggies or Barts.

    Thanks all for your advice in this thread.
     
  20. mboki

    mboki

    Apr 17, 2006
    I know this is an old thread, but I'll chime in because I have had the same problem with quieter A string. There are only a few threads on TB about that. The problem is in humcanceling pickup design. All 3 coils (one in single coil neck, and two in humbacker) consists of one coil under D-G strings, and the other under A-E-B strings. There is a null position in magnetic field between A and D strings, because of humcanceling, which result in less output of A string. The problem is more prominent if you raise the A string, especially if the A string is 0.05 thinner than D string in medium sets 45-65-80-100-130. I have tried numerous sets and setups without success, but after a few years of twiddling, have managed to balance strings. First step was to have set (currently ernie ball extra long 45-65-85-105-130), and second to lower pickup height to approx. factory settings. Regarding string height, the issue was that I was used to have G and B strings low as possible, and string between to feel natural. The solution was to raise D and G strings, and have the final string height more uniform across strings (on G string height above 12th fret is a bit more then 2mm and on B string a bit above 3mm. There is video on youtube about lakland setup which was a great help). The rest was getting used to the new setup and feel of instrument. It takes some time, but it's worth for such a great instrument.
     



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