Long Short?

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by ZenG, Dec 19, 2013.

  1. ZenG


    Dec 13, 2013
    Don't know if they ever made one but I was thinking:-

    Short scale neck

    Long scale strings

    Body modified so that the butt end of the body extends farther back than a regular base body to accommodate the long strings

    So would have room for bridge pickups and maybe one up front

    Bodyshape may be modified to get a balanced guitar without much neck hang

    You would be playing this farther up the strings of course
    so it might sound a bit "warm"

    Am I opening up can of engineering worms with this idea or has it already been done?

    Maybe I should draw/post a picture of this as my description may not be fully understood.....

    This what happens when you're retired....you've got lots of time to think.......:D
  2. MEKer

    MEKer Supporting member

    May 30, 2006
    You do know the Inquisition has sentenced people to the stake for less, don't you?
  3. WoodyG3


    May 6, 2003
    Colorado, USA
    So fewer frets and a pickup further away from the bridge than has been possible before, it that the idea?
  4. The Harmony H22 is all of the above, except there's no bridge pup, just neck. It's a 30" scale, and you can only use long scale strings ImageUploadedByTalkBass1387513936.032328.jpg
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  6. lz4005


    Oct 22, 2013
    It's been done. There's a recent-ish thread on here about a custom bass someone had built with that same idea, and an ergonomically twisted neck.
  7. ZenG


    Dec 13, 2013
    I liked the H22 but after listening to it on YouTube it was slightly "twangy" for my tastes.

    The H22 is now being re-issued by the company that took over Harmony.

    Apparently they are made better now than the old ones.

    One thing that annoys me about the re-issue......it has a straight glued-in neck.......whereas the old ones had a bolt -on neck.

    I would like it if somebody made one with a solid body instead of hollow..and it wasn't too heavy......

    Thanks for posting the pic though.......
  8. Stinkoman20xx


    Oct 19, 2003
    Birdsong basses are what you are looking for. All of them short scale basses designed to use long scale strings.I think they string through the body twice.
  9. khutch

    khutch Praise Harp Supporting Member

    Aug 20, 2011
    suburban Chicago
    No time to check right now but I think the Traveler basses are built that way.
  10. My 64 H22 is far from twangy, with TI flats it sounds more like a double bass
  11. Dradder


    Feb 7, 2013
    Cuenca, Ecuador
  12. LordRyan


    Dec 9, 2012
    The Italia Torino seems to fit this description.

    30-1/2" scale.

    Total neck/body length: 45-3/4".

    Large neck position Humbucker and small bridge Humbucker.

    Length of E string from tailpiece to tuning post: 38-1/2"

    Length of A string from tailpiece to tuning post: 41-1/4"

    Length of D string from tailpiece to tuning post: 41-3/16"

    Length of G string from tailpiece to tuning post: 38-1/2"

    Actual string lengths are longer due to wrapping around tuning post.
  13. JustForSport


    Nov 17, 2011
    "You would be playing this farther up the strings of course
    so it might sound a bit "warm""
    - This IS a Bass, yeah?
    Do you mean short scale 'size' neck, but 34" or 35" playing scale,
    or a short scale bass that can use 'standard' long scale strings?
  14. khutch

    khutch Praise Harp Supporting Member

    Aug 20, 2011
    suburban Chicago
    Yes, Traveler makes two basses as you describe. The one here is a medium scale but their ultralight bass is short scale and made the same way to use full scale strings. Pretty clever design which removes a lot of weight from the headstock and puts it in the body so it shouldn't have much neck dive, if any. So if you want one you have several choices, if you wanted to patent the idea you may be out of luck.
  15. ZenG


    Dec 13, 2013
    JustForSport:- I meant that because it would playedfarther up than a regular long scale it might sound warmer.....some people are looking for a punchier boppier sound though..

    Man, those Birdsong shorts are to die for..........:p

    I'd get one but if the wife found out I spent that kind of money she'd slap me all the way to Sun Records and back.

    Then again you only go round the clock once,so they say.

    They mention that they used the Birdsing short on "Wooden Ships"....(CSN&Y---"Deja Vu album).

    That's a sound I really like. Although I imagine it was "studio-tweaked" a bit.
  16. JustForSport


    Nov 17, 2011
    Wasn't trying to be that kind of sarcastic- missed adding the smiley.
    What I was asking, tho, did you mean a short scale (30" or so) on a more full-size instrument, a short overall length bass including a short scale (that can use standard 34" strings), or a 34" scale bass with short-as-possible overall length?
  17. ZenG


    Dec 13, 2013
    I meant a short scale neck with long scale strings on it.

    Therefor the strings would have to be anchored farther back on the body than a regular short scale.

    This would mean that you get the playability of a short scale yet retain the resonance of long strings.

  18. lz4005


    Oct 22, 2013
    Strings don't work like that.
  19. JustForSport


    Nov 17, 2011
    Found in another thread:
    just needs the tailpiece further back...:)
    But it will still play as a short scale.
    I think the resonance you're referring to will only be avail on a long scale (measured from nut to saddle).
    There are a lot of folks on here that get what they like from short scale basses- requires the right strings to match the bass, tho.