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Making the transition

Discussion in 'General Instruction [BG]' started by Piggy8692, Nov 15, 2012.


  1. Piggy8692

    Piggy8692

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    How many of you guys have changed from one style to a completely other one? Or maybe adopted another style into your playing altogether? Country players learning Funk, Blues players learning Metal. Whatever.

    What where the major challenges you faced when making the transition? What did you learn? How has it helped you grow as a bassist? What advice would you give someone making looking for the same changes?
     
  2. Ezmar

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    Without going into too much detail, you need to want to play that style, not just learning it because you feel you should. I'm a rock player, I'm damn good at rock, progressive rock, that sort of thing, but I'm not too good at Jaco/fusion stuff. As much as I'd like to be able to lay down those licks, I've been unable to force myself to. If you really want to be able to do something, putting in the time is a breeze. I spent a year learning Cliffs of Dover on guitar, and I put in an insane amount of practice into it, but I never had to force myself to practice. Same today, I never "practice", I only "play". I'll just sit down at my computer, do my random internet/computer stuff with my bass around my neck and my 15w combo and just noodle for hours. It takes a while to get to that point, but it doesn't matter much what you're doing, just play. Immerse yourself in music you love to both listen to and play, and don't worry about genre or style. You just play. It adds up. You don't notice it, but it does.

    So that went a little longer than I planned, but I hope that you can get something useful out of that.
     
  3. MalcolmAmos

    MalcolmAmos Supporting Member

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    Ditto, once you know how to play the basic "rules" of music are pretty much the same with each style.

    From there it's just a matter of technique and rhythm. Not to say that you will function in every style, I can not get a reggae song going at all and the Spanish rhythms throw me. But, with Pop, Rock, Country and Bluegrass I can normally lay down an acceptable bass line to those styles, as each of those normally have only one chord per measure. Not up to the jazz standards, with two "fancy" chords per measure, but, that has to do with my skill level. I know what needs to be done, just can not do it. Autumn Leaves, one of these days.....for an answer to your question - I really do not see this as a big deal. If I wanted to play reggae I would first have to learn how to sing reggae, once I learned that I feel I could learn how to play reggae.
     
  4. oniman7

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    They all have their rhythms. I like progressive rock and metal (Opeth, Protest the hero, Dream theater, Pink Floyd, King Crimson). You wanna know what kicked my ***? Steppenwolf. Born To Be Wild. That groove is just different from what I'm used to.
     
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  6. Piggy8692

    Piggy8692

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    What would you say would be the best songs to learn first in different styles to understand what' acceptable' bass parts would be for they style? I have always thought that music is music what works with one genre will work with any other. Which is true. Musically. But it might not necessarily fit the style.

    For metal, I would suggest to someone who was unacquainted with the style to check out some iron maiden, black sabbath, metallica, pantera, slipknot, DT, Symphony X and move up throughout the years to get them up-to-date. Like a crash course for metal. Or whatever genre you have experience in. Bluegrass, country, pop, rock, latin.

    That's more what I think would help people. Or me at least.
     
  7. MalcolmAmos

    MalcolmAmos Supporting Member

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    OK here is ole time Country. Take your pick they all are dirt simple I-IV-V three chord songs. The numbers are the page number in our gig book. Low numbers have been with us the longest.

    Index

    Numbers
    500 MILES AWAY FROM HOME 47
    A
    ACT NATURALLY 93
    ALL MY EXXES 114
    AMARILLO BY MORNING 115
    AN AMERICAN TRILOGY - Elvis Presley 107
    APARTMENT NUMBER NINE 36
    ARE YOU LONESOME TONIGHT Gag Song 116
    AULD LANG SYNE 177
    AWAY IN A MANGER 176
    B
    BACK HOME AGAIN 118
    BACK IN THE SADDLE AGAIN 120
    BANDY THE RODEO CLOWN 41
    BEFORE I DIED 121
    BEGGING TO YOU 122
    BLUE SIDE OF LONESOME 17
    BLUE SKIES 106
    C
    CATFISH JOHN 165
    CHRISTMAS 172
    CHRISTMAS LONG AGO 73
    COLD COLD HEART 123
    COOL WATER 124
    COULD I HAVE THIS DANCE 13
    COWBOY LOGIC 48
    COWBOY PRIDE 125
    COWBOY’S SWEETHEART 30
    CRAZY 88
    CRYING TIME 43
    D
    DECK THE HALLS 178
    DEEP IN THE HEART OF TEXAS 127
    DIGGIN UP BONES 16
    DON'T COME CRYING TO ME 31
    E
    ELVIRA 37
    EXCEPT FOR MONDAYS 95
    F
    FADED LOVE in G 11
    FIFTEEN YEARS AGO 71
    FIRST TRAIN HEADING SOUTH 9
    FOLSOM PRISON BLUES 128
    FOUR WALLS 159
    FOUR STRONG WINDS 42
    FOURTEEN MINUTES OLD 61
    G
    GEORGIA ON MY MIND 87
    GOD MUST BE A COWBOY 129
    GOD REST YE MERRY, GENTLEMEN 179
    GOOD HEARTED WOMAN 22
    GOODNIGHT IRENE 131
    GOSPEL MELODY 68
    GREENSLEEVES 170
    H
    HANK WILLIAM'S MEDLEY 15
    HAPPY BIRTHDAY 72
    HAVE I TOLD YOU LATELY THAT I LOVE YOU 109
    HE THINKS I STILL CARE 80
    HE TOUCHED ME 34
    HEARTACHES BY THE NUMBER 7
    HELLO WALLS 112
    HELP ME MAKE IT THROUGH THE NIGHT 40
    HEY GOOD LOOKIN’ 89
    HOME ON THE RANGE 133
    HONKY TONK ANGELS 44
    HONKY-TONK HARDWOOD FLOOR in C 64
    HORSE WITH NO NAME 90
    HOUSE OF THE RISING SUN 76
    I
    I NEVER PASS THERE ANYMORE 163
    I FALL TO PIECES 50
    I GOT A HOLE IN MY PIROGUE 134
    I WALK THE LINE 58
    I WAS ALMOST PERSUADED 12
    I'M GONNA MISS HER 97
    I'M JUST AN OLD CHUNK OF COAL 24
    IN THE GARDEN 33
    IN THE JAILHOUSE NOW 135
    IS ANYBODY GOIN TO SAN AN-TONE 70
    I'VE GOT A TIGER BY THE TAIL 23
    J
    JACK OF DIAMONDS 167
    JAMBALAYA 28
    JINGLE BELLS 83
    JUST A CLOSER WALK 10
    JUST BECAUSE 14
    K
    KAW - LIGA 79 This is the only song that has some minor chords. Dm vamp sounds like an Indian drum. L
    LET THE COWBOY DANCE 29
    LORD I HOPE THIS DAY IS GOOD 55
    LOVING HER WAS EASIER 162
    LUCKENBACH, TEXAS 136
    M
    MAKING BELIEVE 35
    MAMA, HE’S CRAZY 137
    MARIE LA VEAU 45
    MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS 25
    MY SHOES KEEP WALKING BACK TO YOU 160
    MY HEART SKIPS A BEAT 66
    O
    O LITTLE TOWN OF BETHLEHEM 169
    OH LONESOME ME 63
    OKIE FROM MUSKOGSE 27
    OLE SLEW-FOOT 102
    ON THE ROAD AGAIN 86
    P
    PAPER ROSIE 99
    PEACEFUL EASY FEELING 113
    PRETTY PAPERS 168
    PRICIOUS MEMORIES 166
    R
    RAILROAD BUM 59
    RED RIVER VALLEY 69
    RUDOLPH THE RED-NOSED REINDEER 171
    S
    SAN ANTONIO ROSE 20
    SANTA CLAUS IS COMING TO TOWN 173
    SANTA LOOKED A LOT LIKE DADDY 138
    SATIN SHEETS 39
    SEVEN SPANISH ANGELS 81
    SHE KNOWS WHY 19
    SHE’S GONE GONE GONE 161
    SILENT NIGHT 174
    SILVER BELLS 74
    SILVER THREADS AND GOLDEN NEEDLES 139
    SIOUX CITY SUE 140
    SNOWBIRD 141
    SOMEWHERE OVER THE RAINBOW 111
    STAR SPANGLED BANNER 84
    STARDUST 110
    STRAWBERRY ROAN 142
    SUPPER TIME 52
    SWEET BETSY FROM PIKE 57
    T
    TAKE ME BACK TO TULSA 26
    TEARS IN HEAVEN 104
    TEDDY BEAR 67
    TENNESSEE WALTZ 100
    TEXAS 164
    THE FISHING SONG 97
    THE KEY'S IN THE MAIL BOX 103
    THE LOST HIGHWAY 144
    THE NEXT ONE’S IN G 4
    THE TALKING WALLS 98
    THERE GOES MY EVERYTHING 21
    THEY’LL NEVER TAKE HER LOVE FROM ME 145
    THIS WORLD IS NOT MY HOME 54
    THREE WISHES 75
    TODAY I STARTED LOVING YOU AGAIN 146
    TOGETHER AGAIN 38
    TUMBLING TUMBLEWEEDS 147
    U
    UNCLOUDED DAY 53
    UNDER YOUR SPELL AGAIN 32
    W
    WABASH CANNONBALL 148
    WALK ON BY 149
    WALTZ ACROSS TEXAS 18
    WATERMELON TIME IN GEORGIA 92
    WELCOME TO MY WORLD 150
    WHAT AM I DOING HERE 151
    WHAT CHILD IS THIS (GREENSLEEVES) 170
    WHEN THE WORK’S ALL DONE THIS FALL 153
    WHEN I DIE, JUST LET ME GO TO TEXAS 8
    WHEN THE ROLL IS CALLED UP YONDER 56
    WHERE DO COWBOYS GO WHEN THEY DIE 155
    WHY ME? 51
    WILD SIDE OF LIFE 157
    WORRED MAN BLUES 85
    Y
    YELLOW ROSE OF TEXAS 158
    YOU AIN'T WOMAN ENOUGH TO TAKE MY MAN 101
    YOU ARE MY SUNSHINE 91
    YOUR GOOD GIRL’S GONNA GO BAD 130
     
  8. flbass82

    flbass82 Supporting Member

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    Old thread, but was just thinking about this topic this morning. I used to play EB only. I played a lot of classic, southern rock (think The Band, Allman Brothers, etc.), but I fell in love with the concept of playing DB from watching Bluegrass players. When I switched, I found it easiest to play the root to 5th on the open strings and then progress from there. I stumbled across jazz on my way and haven't looked back (yet) to the EB...then again, ask me in 2 years and it might change...haha
     
  9. Joe Nerve

    Joe Nerve Supporting Member

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    Thanks for mentioning it's an old thread... saves some of us from saying stupid things.... :). I'll respond anyway.

    I'm basically a rock player, but always wanted to play funk. Did a lot of listening and learning in the bedroom, but found I couldn't really make the transition stylistically till I got myself into a funk band. That's where the square peg got whittled to fit into the round hole. If one can learn enough on one's own to get into a decent band of the type desired, the band will teach the rest. The homework got my feet planted on the ground I wanted to be, the band grew me some roots and locked me in.
     
  10. Lownote38

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    I pretty much started out by finding the most complex prog rock and fusion I could find and learning those things, so for other styles, I tend to have to remember to NOT play as much. Dumb it down if you will.
     
  11. angryclown5

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    Malcolm, How is Georgia On My Mind a dirt simple I IV V song?
     
  12. MalcolmAmos

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    Well we dumb down all of Willie's songs. No not really......

    Since I keep the gig book I do add songs I like to play.
     

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