1. Welcome to TalkBass 2014! If you're new here, we just went through a major site upgrade. Please post all concerns and bugs to the Forum Usage Issues forum. We will be monitoring that forum. Thank you for all of your feedback.

    The TalkBass iphone/android app is NOT WORKING currently. We're working on it. Tapatalk IS working, so if you need to use an app, use Tapatalk. Try using your browser though - TalkBass is now 100% responsive to your phone/tablet screen size ;)

    Please read the TalkBass 2014 FAQ for lots of great info on the new software.

Marine who fell on a Grenade.

Discussion in 'Off Topic [BG]' started by Metalbasspro, Feb 25, 2014.

  1. Metalbasspro

    Metalbasspro

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2009
    Likes Received:
    0
  2. DwaynieAD

    DwaynieAD

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2010
    Likes Received:
    3
    that's pretty sad, seems petty to me..
  3. SnowCal

    SnowCal

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2012
    Likes Received:
    0
    I don't have the brass balls needed to kick in a door and subsequently get shot at. Peralta is certainly braver than I, and a hero.

    But the military has exacting standards for its highest honors. Peralta doesn't meet those for the Medal of Honor. He's received the Navy Cross, a very high honor.

    There's a recent article in the Washington Post that sheds some light on why Peralta isn't getting a Medal of Honor. Medical experts examining the evidence say that the injuries aren't consistent with Peralta diving on the grenade or pulling it under him. The grenade exploded some distance from him. Furthermore he'd already suffered a head-injury that would have left him unconscious. Marines who were in that room with him and took shrapnel next to him dispute the story too. At least one stated in sworn testimony that he was pressured by his officer to lie about what happened in order to make Peralta appear a true hero. He said one reason for this is that Peralta was probably killed by friendly fire and the Marines felt guilty.

    Balls of brass? Yes. Hero? Yes. Medal of Honor? There really isn't enough evidence to say yes and too much saying no. The Navy Cross is an appropriate recognition. Lots of guys have died valiantly and gotten less.
  4. nashvillebill

    nashvillebill

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2002
    Likes Received:
    0
    Well stated, SnowCal.
  5. Metalbasspro

    Metalbasspro

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2009
    Likes Received:
    0
    The Article I read said the Marines around the fallen Marine were saying they saw him dive on it. I guess the truth is out there somewhere.
  6. Solarmist

    Solarmist Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2007
    Likes Received:
    0
    Yes - same here.
  7. bmc

    bmc

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2003
    Likes Received:
    1
  8. fhm555

    fhm555 So FOS my eyes are brown Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2011
    Likes Received:
    1
    fixed

    I've been out since the mid 70's and haven't kept up with who got what awards, but when I was in the only MOH winners in the USMC received their award posthumously and only for superhuman efforts on behalf of their comrades.

    If I had to venture a guess as to why this guy didn't get the MOH it would be some hard ass old line officer insisting on keeping the high standards of the USMC higher than the rest of our military branches.

    To be completely blunt, I'm surprised he received the Navy Cross. Plenty Marines have covered grenades in the history of the Corps and most died, and most only got a purple heart and a unit citation read aloud at formation one morning.
  9. bmc

    bmc

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2003
    Likes Received:
    1
    Unless I'm reading the articles wrong, it's not clear that he did lie on the grenade. That seems to be the issue at hand.

Share This Page