"math" rock bassists

Discussion in 'Bassists [BG]' started by vade700, Dec 23, 2013.

  1. vade700


    Jan 12, 2012
    hey I'd just like to share some audio/video of some bassists in this genre who are in my opinion very talented.

    I'd love to see if anyone has any clips/videos/audio of their favorite math rock bassists or even better of your own riffs/songs

    anyway here are some of my favorites:

  2. pfox14


    Dec 22, 2013
    What is "math" rock anyway?
  3. vade700


    Jan 12, 2012
    it's a genre that I dig a lot, I don't really hear much about it on talkbass but I think there are a lot of exceptional bassists within this genre. the base of math rock is the changing of time signatures, there are also certain characteristics that define it as there for most other genres. (Examples: varying time and tempo changes, guitar and bass tapping, frequently very busy drum lines etc)

    anyway the point of this thread was to see if there are any other bassists who are into this genre or perhaps share it with some who may not be familiar with it
  4. fmoore200


    Mar 22, 2011
    Dillinger Escape Plan is pretty good IMO
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  6. spanndrew


    Oct 14, 2013
    Atlanta, Ga
    The Dillinger escape plan
    This town needs guns
    Minus the bear
    The number 12 looks like you
    (Older) Norma Jean
    Russian circles

    I love "math" music. It's fun to try and wrap your head around.
  7. ProgRocker


    Mar 25, 2011
    Unless I am mistaken, "math rock" is Prog. Genesis, Yes, King Crimson, Dream Theater, etc. Prog is nicknamed math rock because of odd time signatures, frequently changing time signatures, heavy use of Theory, Classical, Jazz (or both) influences, and complex lines, parts, and solos.

    At least that's my understanding.
  8. FretlessMainly


    Nov 17, 2010
    The terms are blurred. There is far more to prog than simply unconventional meters. Roundabout is in 4, but is it not prog? 21st Century Schizoid Man is in 4 w/ the solo section in 6; hardly unconventional meters.

    I wrote a tune on my previous band's last CD with the following construction:

    Opening and verse in 4
    Interlude in 6
    Back to verse in 4
    Switch to 7 for "Chorus"
    Guitar solo in 13
    Solo outro in 7
    Back to verse in 4
    Interlude in 6
    Final verse in 4
    This creates a palindromic 4 6 4 7 13 7 4 6 4, which I decided was too contrived, so I tagged an outro in 7. How original. ;)
  9. fmoore200


    Mar 22, 2011
    Partially correct IMO. Math rock is an extension of prog rock. Like bebop and smooth jazz are both extensions of the jazz tradition
  10. Menno


    Feb 21, 2011
    The Netherlands
  11. Bassist4Eris

    Bassist4Eris Frat-Pack Sympathizer

    Aug 11, 2012
    Is it me or have there been a lot of math rock threads lately? Anyhow, here's a video of my old band. We called it instrumental prog, but there were definite moments of math-rock and post-rock. This one is probably our "math-iest" tune.

  12. Basshappi


    Feb 12, 2007
    Very good, love the tone you get from that Carvin.

    I also agree with Menno, Animals As Leaders are fantastic, I've been playing that CD quite a bit lately.
  13. Tituscrow

    Tituscrow Banned

    Feb 14, 2011
    NW England
    Dillinger, Tesseract, Periphery, AAL...all good stuff, but really it's just Meshuggah-lite :)
  14. pfox14


    Dec 22, 2013
    As far as great "math" rock bassists go, you can't beat Tony Levin. The guy is an amazing musician and phenomenal bass & stick player.
  15. SunnBass

    SunnBass All these blankets saved my life. Supporting Member

    Aug 31, 2010
    Columbia, Mo
    As this, and noise rock, are my favorite genres, I'm just gonna clear a few things up.

    Math rock is a rhythmically complex, often guitar-based, style of experimental rock and indie rock music that emerged in the late 1980s, influenced by progressive rock bands like King Crimson and 20th century minimalist composers such as Steve Reich. It is characterized by complex, atypical rhythmic structures (including irregular stopping and starting), counterpoint, odd time signatures, angular melodies, and extended, often dissonant, chords.

    Some Important Math Rock Bands:
    Don Caballero
    Redneck Manifesto
    Drive Like Jehu
    Shudder to Think
    June of 44
    Sleeping People
    No Knife
    90 Day Men
    Adebisi Shank
    Black Pus
    Lightning Bolt
    El Ten Eleven
    The Dismemberment Plan
    Fall of Troy
    The F**king Champs
    Giraffes? Giraffes!
    Holy F**k
    Ghosts and Vodka
    Minus the Bear
    Rumah Sakit
    So Many Dynamos
    Turing Machine

    The list goes on...

    That's not Math Rock, it's tech metal.
  16. Tituscrow

    Tituscrow Banned

    Feb 14, 2011
    NW England
    ^aaaah.....Talk Bass....the fine art of semantics, pedantics and splitting hairs :)

    I'd never in a million years class NoMeansNo as 'math rock'.

    Surprised to see no Jesus Lizard or Converge on your list.
  17. SunnBass

    SunnBass All these blankets saved my life. Supporting Member

    Aug 31, 2010
    Columbia, Mo
    Well, I got tired of typing.
    Honestly, I love love love The Jesus Lizard, but they're not really that mathy.
    And Converge, how to classify the unclassifiable? With the visual art of Jacob, they're like some sort of multi-media art project. They're so incredible.
  18. ProgRocker


    Mar 25, 2011
    Honestly, I find the use of seemingly never-ending subgenres to be ridiculous if not totally meaningless. "Tech metal"? Seriously?!? Never heard of it! Really sucks the fun out of listening to music.
  19. Tituscrow

    Tituscrow Banned

    Feb 14, 2011
    NW England

    How about Daughters?
  20. Tituscrow

    Tituscrow Banned

    Feb 14, 2011
    NW England

    Says the guy with a subgenre as his username.
  21. cycler

    cycler Supporting Member

    Oct 6, 2010
    ...and all of it deemed unmusical and unlistenable by women. So why bother.....