need help with 2x12 speakers

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  1. krdavis32

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    I'm looking to replace a couple guitar cab speakers. Which 12 speakers are good for bass. I'm playing through a Bugera 1960 head. I know EV's are excellent but this close to Christmas I'm on a budget. Cant afford anything good until March.
     
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    You're trying to put bass drivers in a guitar box?

    If that's the case, don't expect that wot work well.
    Box size, box tuning, those won't be appropriate for good bass use.
     
  3. will33

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    +1

    Though, with 100 watts to work with, you may be able to find some that would work acceptably well in sealed boxes. They won't have huge low bass, but, some of us consider that a good thing.:D


    If you can't afford anything good until March, then wait until March. Don't waste money on something now, only to spend even more to replace it in 4 months.
     
  4. krdavis32

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    The cab is an old peavey cab and it is sealed. I'm drawing on my influences when looking at 12s. Chris Squire, John Wetton, Jack Bruce and others have used Marshall cabs. I was at GC playing thru a 2x12 cab and I loved the growl I was able to get and not use pedals....If i couldve afforded the 1200$ I'd have grabbed it.
    Any thoughts on speakers?? I have a few gigs so no waiting until March.
     
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    Chef Moderator Supporting Member

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    Thoughts? Yeah, good luck with that.

    You'd be better off buying a decent low end cab, used.
    Look for an avatar or something.
     
  7. RickenBoogie

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    Yeah, buy a cheap bass cab instead. Much better option.
     
  8. YuppyPunk

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    The growly tone had nothing to due with the fact that it was a 212. There is no reason to think that thowing a couple of bass 12s in that Peavey cab will give you anything close to the cab you tried at GC.

    I like 212's, but not because of any inherent tonal characteristic. I like them because they output nearly as much as a 410, are lighter, have a smaller footprint and have better horizonal dispersion. Fewer speakers means fewer magnets which means lighter and less to go wrong.
     
  9. LowEZ

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    A used Peavey 4x10 will be far less expensive than a couple of new 12" drivers and will sound infinitely better than anything you do with your cab. Look around. Used Peaveys and Hartkes can be had for much less than $200, with luck, some even in the $100 ballpark.
     
  10. YuppyPunk

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    This ^^^^
     
  11. Chef

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    True story.
    I sold my Peavey 1820's for $150 each, and Peavey stuff flips in that price range all day long on CL around here.....
     
  12. will33

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    What $1200 cab did you play at GC?

    When you say you liked the grit you could get without pedals, I'm wondering if you just like the tone of bass being played through guitar speakers. Nothing wrong with that and it can sound quite cool, though to have an effective rig that way, it's usually a littke more complicated. Some get there by using 2 whole different rigs, although you can also do by using one amp, a crossover and 2 cabs, one with a sturdy bass woofer or 2 to carry the lowend, and one with guitar speakers to play the mids and highs where your tone is. You could also get all that built into one custom box.

    Easiest way to get there quickly and on the cheap would be to go out and buy one affordable used bass rig, say a Peavey amp and a 410 or something, and a used, affordable guitar combo, say a Classic30 with a 112 in it or something.

    Stack them together, turn the bass all the way down on the guitar amp, turn the mids and treble all the way down on the bass amp, and play through both at the same time.
     
  13. Thor

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    I did it. Here's how it was done. Whether it was cost effective or aesthetically pleasing is in the eye of the beholder. I was and am still very satisfied with the results in terms of performance.

    This was seven years ago, today I would have dumped the tweeters, shifted the position of the 12's and added a 4 or 5" midrange driver with an 800hx crossover circuit. Live and learn. I found the build enjoyable and learned a lot from it.

    The box was an old guitar cab I built from RatShack plans in 1982 originally.

    http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=174767
     
  14. BogeyBass

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    Good budget ceramic is the Eminence Beta 12A2

    and good budget neo is the Basslite S2012

    can be purchased here

    hopefully the cab has decent depth
    add some stuffing and screw in some dowels from the front baffle to the back wall to stiff up the baffle for bass use.

    as mentioned a used cabinet could also work.
    like a pair of matching 1x15's

    maybe search here for this or this

    15's offer the best sensitivity for low watt tubers, 12's being the next in line.
     
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    There is a lot of good info in this thread here from Thor.

    Including this gem from BFM. It's one of the best explanatons I've seen yet regarding xmax predictions, limitations, and why displacement limited power handling always seems so low, yet we can still play loud, powerful amps on these cabs that on paper should be farting in the wind, yet don't.

     
  16. Technotitclan

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    Can you tell us what you were using in GC. I'd say if it was a guitar cab and you liked it stick with guitar speakers. If your just new to 212's and it was a bass cab you tried and liked you will be a little disappointed by using bass speakers in a guitar cab. there not tuned the same. It may not be terrible thought.
     
  17. Thor

    Thor Thanks Andy Pyle for showing me the way. Supporting Member

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    I learned a LOT from that guy. And he did explain it in terms that I could basically understand once I had done my homework on driver design. Fiddling around with speakers and boxes is a good thing if you can take away from it a better understanding of what you are attemptong to achieve. Like the OP, I really had a fixed budget in mind. For what I spent, I got excellent results AND an education. So it was a win overall.
     

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