New Orleans Second Line Bass

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  1. StrangerDanger

    StrangerDanger Neo Maxie Zoom Dweebie Supporting Member

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    Anybody got any good lessons for that feel?

    Specifically trying to take Deep Elem Blues in E to a different level but cant quite get that feel. Drummer says its a 3-2 clave if that helps.

    Thanks!
     
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  3. jeffbonny

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    Ok this is not the end all be all by any means but these New Orleans drum loops from Big Fish Audio will give you something authentic to play along with. I'm also on the second line quest and I use them regularly.
     
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  6. mambo4

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    here is Dr john rendering Iko Iko, where the bassist is clearly outlining a 3/2 clave feel against a presumably second line drum beat.
    Although I wouldn't vouch for the "authenticity" of the slapping / popping hes does.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDUAk1dWWiE
     
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    If you look at the origins of second line playing it is predominantly rooted in Afro-Cuban and Marching band music. Sometimes playing second line you'll follow the clave and sometimes you'll do almost like a 2 step tuba like line.

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  9. Alex J

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    Hey, that's Marcus Miller, cool :bassist:
     
  10. Groove Master

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    Yes that is the feel of N.O 3-2 which is AKA the Bo Diddley Rhythm. The particularity of that feel is the 16th notes are half-swung meaning not straight and not swing all the way but in the middle. Dr John is a great reference indeed for that feel.

    Listen closely to the clip posted by Mambo4, it is all in there!!!
     
  11. Bunk McNulty

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    I don't know nothing about nothing, and anything Dr John plays is the real thing, but if you want to connect to the real New Orleans beat, you better check out the Meters. This is not "Bo Diddley."

    Hey Pocky A-Way
     
  12. Groove Master

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    The Meters are a good reference too and I love the Neville brothers as well, especially the album Yellow Moon produced by Lanois.

    Here is why we call this groove the Bo Diddley rhythm with the man himself:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3-rf4EgAm8

    And for your info, the clip you refered us to is an incomplete clave based on the first bar clave that contains only the 3 hits of the 3-2. A reduced version of the 3-2 clave played by Diddley and Dr.John
     
  13. StrangerDanger

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    I'm a huge Meters fan and I'm actually born and raised in Nola but I've been playing rock for a long time and I'm trying to play Deep Elem Blues the way the drummer wants to play it. I can't seem to get that feel but I'm getting closer, thanks for the recommendations, gents.
     
  14. Groove Master

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    It must be a question of playing the right swung. The bass part is based on the typical root- fifth but what you play in between has to imply the same swing feel of the drum beat.

    Sing and feel the subdivisions in your head even if you play quarter notes.
     
  15. StrangerDanger

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    Thanks I'll try that too
     
  16. jaypee

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    a big +1 to Hey Pocky Way

    Also check out Shoo Fly by Dr. John, I believe it is Mr. Porter on bass as well.
     
  17. StrangerDanger

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    How he plays those lines and sings at the same time is nuts!
     
  18. Latitude94941

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    Interesting...

    I've been playing Hey Pocky live with a band and was using the Neville Brothers version as a reference. In that version George Porter, Jr. plays a (modified) full 3-2 clave.

    Will be digging into this Meters version now for inspiration...
     

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