So I burnt the toast by bringing up Phil Leah's name in a semi-blasphemous manner, wont happen again. My new question is, are some contemporary bass players any good I.e Matt freeman, les claypool, flea, p-nut (I don't know if he does anything anymore, he kinda just fell off the map). It seems that some of these "youngsters" may have been less trained but still pretty good. Even though they play different styles.Genres that may not be directly related to Jazz or classical or what ever but are they still valid musicians. Yes I am aware of the Flea/Jazz connection but Flea was also the bass player for Fear for a short stint.