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Opinions on these "Pay to play" offers that are going on.

Discussion in 'Band Management [BG]' started by HunterBurgan4Me, Feb 25, 2013.

  1. HunterBurgan4Me

    HunterBurgan4Me

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    My band's on some sites like Reverb Nation and occasionally we get things coming round saying "PERSON X IS LOOKING FOR A NEW BAND TO SIGN! PAY $1M AND YOU MIGHT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LICK HIS SHOES" (as you might have guessed i'm not keen on these things.)

    I just wondered if anyone has ever actually taken up an offer like this and their experience from it? Is it just me being cynical?
  2. mellowinman

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    You can join the third club in my sig. There's a thread for it somewhere, but we all just assigned our own numbers. It's anarchy, man.
  3. Ric5

    Ric5 Supporting Member

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    I play for free ... but I charge a lot to drive there and haul in my equipment and set it up and tear it down and haul it home ... no damn way I am paying someone to do all of that.

    Pay to play is letting them crap on you and rub it in and then you say thank you sir may I have another.
  4. AuntieBeeb

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    I would dearly love to see an end to "pay to play."

    This has been said countless times, and somebody will inevitably wheel out the "calls the Musicians' Union; is told to call the Plumbers' Union" joke, but as a musician, you are providing a service. Any other service provider could reasonably demand to be paid for his/her time, whereas we are left asking - often, paying - for the privilege to play in your venue, thank you very much, sir.

    The trouble is, venues, promoters, etc., have us over a barrel. The moment we say "oh, and it will cost you this much," so many of them know they can show us the door because there will be a bunch of fresh-faced teenagers who've just formed their first band and are so desperately keen to play, (not to mention still believing that this will be their springboard to super-stardom) that they'll happily do the gig for free.

    I have been giving occasional thought to how feasible and how effective it might be to organise a general musicians' strike. Boycott any gigs that are pay-to-play for a couple of weeks and see if they change their tune. I don't know whether it would work, though...
  5. QORC

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    only fools pay to play, IMHO
  6. Tx Basser

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    +1. I would NEVER, repeat NEVER, pay some venue to allow my band to play there.

    Let them buy a jukebox or have an open mike night (which is another way for the venue to get free musicians, which I would never do.) or get some wanna-be's to pay them for the "honor" of playing there.
  7. BayStateBass

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    I don't mind playing for free if the situation is right (like a charity, donation for a good cause, something worthwhile that I can get behind).

    I don't think I'd be real enthusiastic about paying someone else to play. In fact, I just wouldn't do it.

    No.
  8. bassbully

    bassbully Endorsed by The PHALEX CORN BASS..mmm...corn!

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    Trust me if anyone is reaching you on offers like this on Reverb nation or whatever stay away.
  9. bluewine

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    Yeah, my house needs new siding .I will let you do it. I'll only charge you $2,000.00.

    Sound good, when can you start?

    Blue
  10. VanillaThundah

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    +1

    The only time I see it as reasonable to play for free (not PAY, mind you, but play for free) is like you state up there Bay. If some lazy yahoo at a bar just wants free live music, he can get up there and play it himself. :smug:
  11. Marial

    Marial Proud Papa-to-be Supporting Member

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    Bingo. :cool:

    I've never done the pay-to-play thing, doubt I ever will.
  12. 5StringThunder

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    Never encountered this particular situation, but we've played a few shows, mainly battle of the bands, where we have to sell tickets and do all our own promoting with zero promotion from the venue. I have no problem selling tickets and trying to get people to come, but the venue won't pay unless you draw x number of people or unless you win. Which when we sell $3,000 worth of tickets between two shows and the venue gives the 3 headliners $1,000 to split between the 3 bands and we don't see a penny, then it gets annoying.
  13. DwaynieAD

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    you are paying to play there bud. ticket sales is just pay to play with a new coat of paint.
  14. two fingers

    two fingers Loud Mouth Know It All Blowhard Gold Supporting Member

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    Dumb. Just dumb. It's sad that there are musicians out there so desperate to be seen that they go for these kinds of things.
  15. bluewine

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    I would say that is considerably more than annoying.

    blue
  16. SnowCal

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    5ST, you just defined pay to play...
  17. DwaynieAD

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    agreed. if your band has the ability to sell 3000 worth of tickets you should be putting on your own shows.
  18. DWBass

    DWBass The Funkfather Supporting Member

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    Don't ever do it! Ever!
  19. NWB

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    You have encountered and engaged in this exact situation. You should at least get a kiss from the promoter before the **&^%ing begins.
  20. BayStateBass

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    Yeah, sounds like a good old fashioned carrot dangler to me.

    Geesh, even the little place we play that flips up $350 for a night puts our name outside on their sign......

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