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pedalboard setup - pedal order

Discussion in 'Effects [BG]' started by lowtom, Nov 1, 2013.


  1. lowtom

    lowtom

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    Perhaps a thread like this can help the bass players, that need help or advice (like me) in setting up the pedalboard.

    So a question for the pedal board specialists out there. I am sure you have some opinion on the pedal setup order.

    i would have something like that on a pedal board:

    • Tuner
    • Volume Pedal
    • Wah Wah pedal
    • Distortion Pedal
    • Equalizer Pedal
    • Chorus Pedal
    • Synth Pedal

    I would put these pedals in the following order:

    bass -> Tuner -> Volume -> Wah -> Distortion -> Equalizer -> amp

    effects loop: amp -> synthi -> chorus -> amp

    Any advice or opinion is welcome. Thank you.
     
  2. ga_edwards

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    One thinks you might have opened a large can of worm here!

    I agree with the general order tho, I think that volume/dynamic effects, into tone/drive effects into modulation effects is a good starting point.

    Modulation in the effects loop can be useful if your using your amp for colour and maybe a bit if grit. If you're using a very clean amp however, literally to amplify your bass, I doubt you'll see much improvement running chorus before the amp or in the loop.

    Eq can be placed almost anywhere depending what you want from it. Ie, tone shaping - put it near the start, or tone fixing, put it at the end. Other effect will react to changes in eq.

    I would also question the placement of the synth pedal. I would personally put it before the drives as they are very sensitive to playing dynamics, you can also then distort the synth effect for more coloration. A synth pedal would likely not respond well to an already distorted tone. Even better, you could split the signal and run the synth pedal in its own loop in parallel to drives and modulation.
     
  3. lowtom

    lowtom

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    So would you suggest, from that starting point trying different setups and see which will do it the most for my subjective sounding ideas?

    all pedals (except the wah) would be boss pedals. Amp would be Trace elliot. (as far as i know trace elliot has more options for the effect loop, depending on the intensity of mix from the real signal and the modulatet signal)
     
  4. Downunderwonder

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    Old Trace have parallel loops with highpass option and full level control. I'd put the entire pedal chain in there. Overdrive like you never heard, you can get as heavy as you like and never lose your low end.

    Fuzz and chorus type often invert phase. With a highpass loop you'll hear the crossover frequency zone dip out when a single inverting pedal is on in the loop, reverting to full when two are on.

    I built up my own highpass loop with phase toggled.
     
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  6. lowtom

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  7. Downunderwonder

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    No youtube here. Signal goes through a mini Rolls crossover, highs (the highpass) goes through effects, lows are remixed in blender pedal.
     
  8. lowtom

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    Got all my pedals together

    effect chain so far: Bass-> Tuner -> Volume (right) -> LMB-3 -> ODB-3 -> GEB-7 (right) -> GEB-7 (left) -> CEB-3 -> SYB-5 -> AW-3 (goes in the amp) - (last two pedals also plugged in the expressionator, and the expressionator goes to the Volume (left) as an expression pedal.

    see here:http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f36/pedal-breeders-big-board-club-981208/index44.html#post15249127

    problems with this setup also in the post above the picture.
    Perhaps i should try a signal splitter or something for the wah and snyth. auto wah after or before the synth?
     
  9. electracoyote

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    I like the order in the OP. The only thing I can't respond to is the loop, since I've had some pretty miserable results with most things in the loop, except for reverbs.
     
  10. mam1862

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    I have had real good luck with the following order,

    Wireless to Tuner to Chorus to Fuzz to Octave to Envelope Filter to Earthquaker Organizer to Strymon Lex to Overdrive to Compressor to Amp.

    I like running everything thru the Compressor. It stays on all the time. I use the Organizer and the Lex together as it has a real good organ sound. I have a few songs that I use the Octave and Envelope Filter together otherwise it's just the Compressor with or without another pedal.
     
  11. Downunderwonder

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    What amp? All the Trace loops I've seen are the ducks nuts.

    The eq on the 2nd eq looks set for fubar.
    I dunno about the wah thing, probably a tone sucker guitar pedal?
    Limiter enhancer could get nixxed, along with expressionator goings on.

    Simplify. Then add.
     
  12. Adamixoye

    Adamixoye A PT Pro is cool for worship, right? Supporting Member

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    IMO you have your synth waaaaaaay too late no matter how you look at it. A synth needs a good clean signal and can sound really great with effects added after it.
     
  13. Snakeman1066

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  14. Downunderwonder

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    That too.
     
  15. Chamber

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    There are no rules. The best advice I can give is try it every way and do what sounds best to your ears. I'm glad I've experimented with my pedal order because with certain pedals it makes a huge difference. Pedals that I THOUGHT would sound good at a certain spot sounded better in a different spot. I have two fuzz pedals on my board, one sounds best before all my overdrive pedals, the other one sounds best after them. Experiment!

    Now, with that being said, I would probably start with an order like this and tweak it until I felt satisfied: Bass -> Tuner -> Synth Pedal -> Volume Pedal -> Wah Wah pedal -> Chorus Pedal -> Distortion Pedal -> Equalizer Pedal -> amp
     
  16. Adamixoye

    Adamixoye A PT Pro is cool for worship, right? Supporting Member

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    I agree with all of this, both the general principle and the signal chain, except I would probably put the distortion before the chorus, and I don't think it matters too much where you put the volume pedal unless you want to use it to do swells (after the synth is a good idea though, you want to give your synth a good strong signal even if you back it down after that).
     
  17. Ric5

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  18. lowtom

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    Thanks for all your advice. I quess there are so much ways to do this. i´ll need to start at the begining again.

    @ downunderwonder: i play different amps in different rehearsal rooms. i try at some point in the next year to get a trace elliot tower. fav sound for me. that said, there would be opportunity to get some effect in the effects loop.

    so many ways ... how will that ever work like i want it to sound.
    :confused:
     
  19. lowtom

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    What i am thinking of now is. if i want the best sound for each of the effects at his own, i would need a signal splitter for each pedal? Is that the goal of Ric5 is trying with his setup?

    or does it bypass each effect which isn´t activated in the effect chain in my current setup?
     
  20. Nephilymbass

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    I have a ton of pedals that are constantly on and off the board but as for live stuff this is my current setup.

    Bass
    X2 "pedal "wireless
    Boss ls2 (i have a pod hd running through a loop on the ls2 for different delays, reverbs, chorus, and volume pedal with the express controller)
    Tech 21 RBI pre amp ( where i get any grit i might use)

    Works for me because i can take the pod completely out of the chain with the ls2 when i don't want effects. I like using the pod even though i prefer hardwire delay and reverbs because i can set up patches for different speeds and lengths. Where with a stomp box id either have to buy more pedals or constantly adjust them.
     
  21. Downunderwonder

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    Possibly a multichannel blender would be up your street. One with phase control on each loop.

    That's a fairly expensive punt and I'm not convinced you have given the setup a decent chance as yet.
     

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