I never got the "american as apple pie" thing (was mentioned in a thread today so thats why i'm starting this now instead of derailing a thread but its been bugging me for a long time). Cause apple pies didn't exist before america? Pretty much every european (and probably beyond) country that ever had a climate to grow apples in has apple pie or a variation of it. The English of course, but the dutch, the swedes, the french, etc...and they've never stopped making them. Whats more, apples aren't native to america, they had to be brought from europe. Therefore, I submit this expression to be changed to pumpkin pie. Pumpkins ARE native to north america so pumpkin pies did not exist before people came to it and they pretty much eat it nowhere else but America (some in canada though i didnt have a pumpkin pie until i went to the US, for the record? Meh, ill eat it because ill eat anythign with a fair amount of sugar in it, but it's one of my least favorite kind of pie for sure) even though the earliest records of it as a recipe was from France (well cause they brought them back from the colonies) Still when i think pumpkin pie, i think America. When i think apple pie, i think many countries including but not limited to america. Give the world its apple pies back, America!