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Powered board replacing amp head??

Discussion in 'Amps [BG]' started by Pigg61, Mar 8, 2014.


  1. Pigg61

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    Hey guys. Recently I've been looking at upgrading from my Peavey TKO 400 to a small amp head and possibly 2x10 or 2x12 cab. I was talking to an extremely experienced sound man the other night and he suggested that I use a small powered board to run a cab. Any ideas/ suggestions on this. I'm new and intrigued with this idea. Thanks!!
     
  2. BassmanPaul

    BassmanPaul Gold Supporting Member

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    A lot of mixer boards have built in high pass filters to limit low frequencies. Best idea is to try one and see.
     
  3. derrico1

    derrico1 Supporting Member

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    Powered mixers tend to be compromise designs. Weight, portability, and preamp quality usually aren't standout strengths.

    Not to say you couldn't find a powered board that you'd like, but you should be able to easily find equal or better tone and power in a lighter/smaller head or pre-amp + lightweight power amp.
     
  4. trevcda

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    Why did he suggest that? What models was he suggesting? Was there more to the conversation? The only advantage I see would be that you could use the board for more than just bass but, as someone above me said, not without compromises.
     
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  6. bassgod0dmw

    bassgod0dmw Supporting Member

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    A powered mixer probably isn't going to be all that small.
     
  7. Ukiah Bass

    Ukiah Bass Supporting Member

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    This suggestion was made by a sound man trying to sound impressive. I'm actually surprised he didn't recommend using a DI and going straight to his board.

    Stick with your micro amp and cab idea for simplicity.
     
  8. Bodeeni

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    i don't know you can beat these new tiny amps. I have a little Genz Benz 3.5 shuttle in the pocket of my gig bag and a 2/10 SWR cab. It cuts any gig I have and has a plenty big sound. It seems like the cord weighs more than the head. it is funny that now the 2/10 cab is the beast in the setup. To think when I was a kid I did the same rooms with twin folded 18"s.
     
  9. briskmojo

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    I use to play through a carvin powered mixer, I was pretty young at the time but I remember it not sounding too impressive.
     
  10. agedhorse

    agedhorse Development Engineer-Mesa, Product Support-Genz Supporting Member

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    Powered mixer can sound ok with most active basses, but with most passive pickups the input impedance will be way too low and tone will suffer greatly. This could be solved with an active DI and the XLR out going into the mixer, but now you are adding to the size and cost.
     
  11. lz4005

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    If you use a powered board you'll be paying for a bunch of extra channels you'll never use. Basically someone who uses a PA all the time told you to get a PA.
     
  12. agedhorse

    agedhorse Development Engineer-Mesa, Product Support-Genz Supporting Member

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    A small head might have other purposes other than just pretending to be a bass amp.
     
  13. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

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    If you wanted to blend several different signals together and send only one channel to the board, then I could see a need for a mixer. I do know people who do that. But it's needlessly complicating a relatively simple process if you're only using one or two signals, and I've yet to plug into a board that made me wish I had it instead of my amps. Boards and mixers are made for clean reproduction of what's going into them. Bass amps are made for creating a bass sound.
     
  14. agedhorse

    agedhorse Development Engineer-Mesa, Product Support-Genz Supporting Member

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    If you use something like a Bass Driver, takes the clean reproduction only limitation out of the equation as well.
     
  15. JimmyM

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    Tru dat, but adds another box ;)
     
  16. Downunderwonder

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    I guess all the bass amp makers and players who use them have been doing it all wrong since forever. :rollno:
     
  17. agedhorse

    agedhorse Development Engineer-Mesa, Product Support-Genz Supporting Member

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    I think there are more ways to skin a cat than JUST a bass amp. There are theatrical gigs or church gigs that may have different need than another gig that might require something different.

    You do realize that there's a lot of pro audio technology & approach inside a typical bass amp...
     
  18. agedhorse

    agedhorse Development Engineer-Mesa, Product Support-Genz Supporting Member

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    Agreed.
     
  19. JimmyM

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    100% true. Those are the types of amps I try to avoid, though ;)
     
  20. agedhorse

    agedhorse Development Engineer-Mesa, Product Support-Genz Supporting Member

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    Part of the reason this technology is found in bass amps is because of the proven track record for high reliability. Voicing is (or can be) independant of reliability, it's more of a choice made during the development of the product, targeting a product towards a range of playing styles/preferences.

    There is a wide range of personal preferences out there. Folks who can't understand why a player might prefer something different from their own has a limited perspective. (not targeted at you Jimmy)
     
  21. JimmyM

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    I mainly said that as a joke ;) but I hear you.
     

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