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Real Book as Finale Files?

Discussion in 'General Instruction [BG]' started by Intenzity, Dec 14, 2013.


  1. Intenzity

    Intenzity

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    I saw it floating around the web before, anyone have it?

    I know plenty of places to get chord changes for free, but I want to be able to transpose melodies.

    Anyone?
     
  2. Ukiah Bass

    Ukiah Bass Supporting Member

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    This site transposes chords only.

    http://www.jazzstudies.us/
     
  3. Intenzity

    Intenzity

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    Yea, great site!

    I also want to be able to do analysis on jazz melodies, and to do that I need the melodies in XML, which finale can export. Any notation format would probably work, but I know someone already did it all somewhere. This is pretty nerdy stuff, but there is some music software that analyzes music structures and lets you do stuff like:

    Melodic Analysis on 'Stella By Starlight'

    Total Number of Measures: 32
    Total Number of Melody Notes: 76
    Average Number of Notes Per Mesure: 2
    Melody Range: Perfect Twelfth, 19 half-steps
    Lowest Note: B-flat in octave 3
    Highest Note: F in octave 5

    Fraction of notes that are repeated melodically. 20.00%
    Fraction of melodic intervals corresponding to a semi-tone. 18.33%
    Fraction of melodic intervals that corresponded to a minor or major second. 61.67%
    Fraction of melodic intervals that are major or minor thirds. 13.33%
    Fraction of melodic intervals that are perfect fifths. 0.00%
    Fraction of melodic intervals that are octaves. 0.00%
    ['Amount_of_Arpeggiation'] 33.33%
    Fraction of melodic intervals that are rising rather than falling. 47.92%
    Average melodic interval separating the top note of melodic peaks and the bottom note of melodic troughs. 19.0
    Average number of notes that separate melodic peaks and troughs in any channel. 14.0

    Pitch Count:
    A 9
    E- 7
    C 9
    E 1
    D 9
    G 9
    F 18
    B- 10
    G- 4

    Interval Count:
    m3 6
    P4 2
    M2 26
    M6 1
    M3 3
    m2 11

    Rhythmic Analysis:
    The value of the most common quarter length. quarter
    Difference between the longest and shortest quarter lengths. 7.5
    The number of unique note quarter lengths. 7

    Rhythmic Value Count:
    2: Dotted Quarter
    45: Quarter
    7: Half
    5: Dotted Half
    12: Whole
    2: Eighth
    3: Quarter Triplet (0.67QL)

    And I want to be able to do stuff on other melodies, but I dont want to enter in every song...I am the legal owner of just about every fake/song book out there, all the Sher ones, the legal Hal Leonards ones. I just want these in electronic format to do some analysis.
     
  4. Ukiah Bass

    Ukiah Bass Supporting Member

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    Man, reading your analytical plans makes me want to drink a bottle of wine and listen to some jazz.

    Amazon can probably sell you super computer time on EC3 for that "big data" parsing.
     
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  6. Intenzity

    Intenzity

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    It is not that hard to do, it doesn't take any super computer level processing, just my tired old mac does it no problem. I just only have a couple of files with melodies. TONS with chord changes...but need the melodies and REALLY don't want to enter them all in by hand.

    For fun, here is Donna Lee as a comparison
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    Melodic Analysis on 'Donna Lee'

    Total Number of Measures: 32
    Total Number of Melody Notes: 210
    Average Number of Notes Per Mesure: 6
    Melody Range: Diminished Double-octave, 23 half-steps
    Lowest Note: A-natural in octave 3
    Highest Note: A-flat in octave 5

    Fraction of notes that are repeated melodically. 0.49%
    Fraction of melodic intervals corresponding to a semi-tone. 34.48%
    Fraction of melodic intervals that corresponded to a minor or major second. 67.00%
    Fraction of melodic intervals that are major or minor thirds. 22.66%
    Fraction of melodic intervals that are perfect fifths. 0.99%
    Fraction of melodic intervals that are octaves. 0.00%
    ['Amount_of_Arpeggiation'] 24.63%
    Fraction of melodic intervals that are rising rather than falling. 42.57%
    Average melodic interval separating the top note of melodic peaks and the bottom note of melodic troughs. 23.0
    Average number of notes that separate melodic peaks and troughs in any channel. 49.5

    Pitch Count:
    E- 25
    A 8
    C 25
    D- 19
    E 14
    D 9
    G 19
    F 29
    C# 2
    B- 19
    F# 1
    A- 23
    D_ 2
    B 5
    G- 10

    Interval Count:
    m3 28
    P4 7
    P5 2
    m6 5
    m2 63
    A1 12
    M6 2
    A4 1
    M3 13
    M2 67
    d8 1
    d5 2
    d3 1
    A2 2

    Rhythmic Analysis:
    The value of the most common quarter length. eighth
    Difference between the longest and shortest quarter lengths. 2.25
    The number of unique note quarter lengths. 5

    Rhythmic Value Count:
    174: Eighth
    2: 16th
    1: Half
    27: Eighth Triplet (0.33QL)
    6: Quarter

    Melodic Dissonance:
    Dissonant melodic interval in part 1 measure 5: Diminished Fifth from E- to A
    Dissonant melodic interval in part 1 measure 16: Augmented Fourth from B- to E
    Dissonant melodic interval in part 1 measure 27: Diminished Fifth from F to B
    Dissonant melodic interval in part 1 measure 28: Augmented Second from A- to B
    Dissonant melodic interval in part 1 measure 29: Augmented Second from A to G-
     
  7. Ukiah Bass

    Ukiah Bass Supporting Member

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    I was just funnin' ya.

    But I'll probably be sticking to the threads that argue about whether or not one should use a metronome.
     
  8. Groove Doctor

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    How does this analysis actually help?
    Can't you train your eye to do similar?

    Listing the range would let someone know if they can sing it, and in that key. A lot of Classical & Opera pieces list that which is very helpful.
     
  9. Ed Fuqua

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    To quote Art Tatum, when told that Horowitz was able to play a transcription of one of his solos - He may know what I played, but he doesn't know why I played it....

    This seems to be great exercise for avoiding practicing. But over and above that, like the original Real Book, those files don't pay anything to the person who actually owns the IP.
     
  10. Intenzity

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    Yea, I don't know how useful it will be, but it is written now, so the work is done. It is kind of interesting though to see the distribution of rhythms and notes.

    But yes, this is very dry and analytical and nerdy with zero artistic interpretation noted. And yea, guilty as charged, I should be practicing!! :meh:

    Point taken about the Real Book, if anyone knows of a source to purchase the entire thing as Finale files from Hal Leonard or whoever, without it costing $5.00 a page, that is fine too.
     
  11. Phil Smith

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    You can always make your own Finale files. :D But, yeah I know, you don't want to do all of that work.
     
  12. Groove Master

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    I believe there is an option where you can scan a chart and it can be open in Sibelius or Finale, don't remember which one it was . I never had much success with it with the little time I spent on but it seems possible.
     
  13. Bainbridge

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    Finale has a plugin called "SmartScore Lite", but it requires remarkably clear and uncomplicated notation to get it right on one scan. Often, there is a lot of editing involved.

    I found this site, but I haven't had the chance to download anything to check it yet: http://www.tomkessler.net/unicach/fakebooks/Funes Real Book/
     
  14. Intenzity

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    I found his site too, good stuff! It's a start, a good 200 tunes with melodies and chord changes! I used a few already and they work great.

    I have tried the SmartScan thing, and PDFtoMusic and while it is awesome that something like this even works at all, the results depend heavily on the original document, and always required enough futzing, that yea, it would be faster just to enter the melody myself. Which is rapidly looking like the reality of it.
     

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