Real or Fake 1961 Jazz - discuss.....

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  1. richntiff

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  2. shrimpflea

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    Looks like an American Vintage '62 Reissue to me. From that bad and very small photo bass looks new.
    Would need to see many more and better pics and see it in person anyways.
  3. smcd

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    I know that when I want to get $15,000 for a guitar, I put it on CL with a single, poor quality photo. I usually keep the description to the bare minimum, and I don't perform due diligence and confirm that what I'm selling is actually what I'm claiming it to be.
  4. Mojo-Man

    Mojo-Man Supporting Member

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    :cool:

    As someone said, for a $15000.00 Bass. You need way better pictures than that.
    I would not go near that without better documentation.
  5. Gougedeye

    Gougedeye Supporting Member

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    +1
  6. frankieC

    frankieC A swell guy from Warren Harding High Supporting Member

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    I would NEVER spend $15K on a bass that I have not first examined, myself, AND, got a second opinion on. Especially one that is claimed to have been a "display" item for 60 years.
    I'm not saying it's a fake, I'm merely pointing out an old, very basic, and extremely apropos, adage: "Buyer beware".
  7. MarTONEbass

    MarTONEbass Supporting Member

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  8. FranF

    FranF Supporting Member

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    reissue
  9. TomB

    TomB Supporting Member

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    I'm wondering why two of you think it's a reissue? I can't tell if it's real or not, but I can't tell if it's a reissue any better and am wondering what you see that convinces you. Thanks.
  10. pfox14

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    No way to tell for sure without better pix. No way the bass sells with the listing the way that it is.
  11. Davo-London

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    Something doesn't hang together. Fender stopped the VT VT arrangement in August 1961 if I remember correctly so the bass cannot be '62. The vagueness of the ad is odd since the serial number can normally be reasonably accurately aged.

    Davo
  12. MIMike

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    No reason to be uptight over it. The ad clearly states; "This is not an 'as is' sale. The sale will not be complete until the buyer is 100% satisfied with the instrument."
    So, go,check it out, take someone who can help verify its age, and end up 100% satisfied that it either is or is not legit.
  13. Clouz

    Clouz The Ayatollah of Jack and Cola Supporting Member

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    i wouldn't pay 15K for a bass even if paul mccartney was selling it himself.
  14. ReiPsaeg

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    That price could do without the extra 9.
  15. PJRL

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    The problem with something like this is....First you need to be able to sit down with the owner and ID everything to the most minute detail as you look at it. Completly take it apart and date / verify everything.

    Yea it looks like a 62 RI but it's just a picture. What's a real 61 worth in 100% original & great condition, not sure....

    Tough to buy something like that from a private seller.

    Also, I would ask the seller what the serial # is on the neck plate, if it starts with a V then we pretty much know the story on this one....;)
  16. lowphatbass

    lowphatbass **** Supporting Member

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    The biggest red flag based on the single photo to me is the burst. It's just wrong for a 60's Fender.
  17. bigmoosepi

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    tort guard looks nothing like a 60s one. AVRI for sure.


    from the description, whoever is selling it isn't trying to dupe anyone, they were just duped when they bought it and probably legitimately believe its an actual 62.
  18. Mike N

    Mike N Missing the old TB Supporting Member

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    Wow, you too?!?! I sell really expensive stuff the same way, especially on Craigslist.
  19. Doctor J

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    They're not clay dots. Fake.
  20. rockinrayduke

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    Not fake at all, it's an AVRI.

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