Sapele for a fretboard?

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  1. Verkton

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    Hey everyone,

    Work is progressing nicely on my Ric inspired bass:

    http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f57/first-build-rickenbacker-4330-style-1005374/

    However, hit a small snag today, I think the rosewood I've got for my fingerboard might just be a little bit too thin, once its been radiused down (I don't think there will be enough meat left for 2mm side dots). However, I do have a couple of nice pieces of sapele lying around that would do the job nicely. Has anyone used these before? If I decide to use them, I will probably gloss lacquer them in the Ric style (Which was not my intention with the rosewood).

    Any thoughts?
     
  2. pfox14

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    Sapele and mahogany are too soft for fretboards. They will eventually have ruts after being played for while. How thick is the rosewood blank? Should be 1/4".
     
  3. Verkton

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    It's 5.5 mm, which i think is just slightly under 1/4. Certainly a lot thinner than my Jazz bass. Its going to have a 12" radius.
     
  4. lbridenstine

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    Some people make their side dots so the middle of the dot runs through the line where the fretboard and neck are joined. Maybe that would solve the problem?
     
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  6. FBB Custom

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    i would not use sapele for a fingerboard.
     
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  8. Verkton

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    Thanks for your thoughts everyone. I'll give it some consideration - the data about hardness vs maple is food for thought. I do also have a piece of Bubinga that I could use, although I wanted to use this for another projet. The Rosewood won't be wasted, I could always use it for something that requires neck binding.

    I don't know if it will make any difference, but I will gloss lacquer this fingerboard like Ric do on their production models.
     
  9. pilotjones

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    Sapele IME is not very dense, and guessing not enough to hold a fret properly.

    Bubinga would be fine, though.
     
  10. FBB Custom

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    Published numbers put sapele around where hard maple is, maybe 5% less stiffness, density, and side-hardness. There are published numbers where janka is higher (1500 v. 1450) but also I have seen 1400. I lament that there is never a source attached to published data on the internet and that no variance is ever indicated.

    My sense from using sapele is that in general it is softer and less stiff than hard maple. Subjective, yes. My own opinion is that hard maple is the low end of strength characteristics for a fingerboard wood, and considerations must be made when using it. Sapele could be used for a fingerboard, possibly successfully, but I wouldn't do it.

    IIRC, bubinga is a wood that Rickenbacker has used (uses) on 4003s for fingerboards.
    Lacquer won't make any difference in terms of strength characteristics.
     
  11. Verkton

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    Thanks guys,

    After a day of consideration in the 'shop, I've decided to go with the bubinga. The rosewood will still be useful, I'll probably use it on the bass somewhere, maybe for decoration or pickup rings.

    Thanks very much for everyone's advice!

    /verkton
     
  12. Meatrus

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    5.5 mm is fine for a fretboard, I have done 5 before. I used the 1/16" diameter side dots Stew Mac sells and all was well :).
     

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