Snarky responses to musician wanted ads

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous [BG]' started by RichardCranium, Sep 25, 2013.


  1. RichardCranium

    RichardCranium Supporting Member

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    So we're looking for a new member and have some ads running. Someone responded not to offer his services but to insult the pay we're offering and his opinion on our hierarchy level on the biz.

    Just wondering what would possess someone to do this. When I see ads that don't pertain to me or for example threads on here and other message boards I'm on I just ignore them I don't send them snarky emails. :confused:
  2. bobsax

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    Could we see the add?
  3. AaronVonRock

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    And the response.
  4. RichardCranium

    RichardCranium Supporting Member

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    Caveat: Before I get slammed over the pay level it's not bad for what we do and where we play trust me I wish it was more. I know many of the upper echelon cover/variety bands and they don't pay a whole lot more. I don't know of any clubs/casinos/resorts that pay a variety band 10-15 grand a week which if you do the math this is what this guy claims. FWIW he's from New Orleans. If anyone does knows of these $500 a night per person full time gigs please send over the venue and agent's info! :bassist:

    Our ad:
    PRO LEAD GUITAR PLAYER NEEDED FOR TOURING SITUATION WITH 5 PIECE WELL ESTABLISHED VARIETY BAND

    HAVE MULTIPLE AGENTS. WE HAVE BEEN PLAYING FOR 20+ YEARS. WE ARE GOOD PEOPLE AND A VERY SERIOUS HARD WORKING ROAD BAND.

    PLAY CASINOS, CLUBS, FAIRS, FESTIVALS, OVERSEAS, ETC. IMPORTANT: MUST BE ABLE TO SING LEAD AND BACKUPS.

    ALL BAND MEMBERS SING LEAD AND HARMONY VOCALS 400 A WEEK STARTING AND PAY MAY VARY WITH JOBS. MUST HAVE GOOD EQUIPMENT, GREAT WITH PEOPLE AND A VERY GOOD ATTITUDE.

    NO SUBSTANCE ABUSE PROBLEMS PLEASE. TRAVEL 5-10 WEEKS ON AND 2 OFF IN BETWEEN.

    WE PLAY EVERYTHING FROM NEW ROCK, COUNTRY, FUNK, HIP HOP, CLASSIC ROCK, ETC. VERY HIGH ENERGY BAND, SIMPLE DANCE STEPS INVOLVED. (NOTHING HARD) SOME SCRIPTING, DRESS NICELY,

    LOOKING FOR SOMEONE A LITTLE YOUNGER WHO IS NOT AFRAID TO GET OUT INTO THE AUDIENCE WITH US WITH SOME ENTHUSIASM!

    PLEASE SEND ALL PROMO MATERIAL TO US IN REPLY TO THIS ADD. WE NEED TO GET SOMEONE WORKED IN PRONTO.

    THANK YOU


    The response:
    $400 a week? Just wondering If Im reading your ad correctly. How bout $200-700 a NIGHT? That's what anybody who is ANYBODY in the music business in a working band is making around here. 25 years of living proof right here... Just curious...what are you booking your band for? 50 bucks a man???? Or are you looking for a gun for hire kinda guy and you keep most of the money?
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  6. HolmeBass

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    Let's see, $400 a week, @ $50 a night, means you work 8 nights a week. Funny, but where I come from a week only has 7 nights. Wherever he comes from sounds pretty dang special. Or in other words he's a bit douchey.

    Although I can also see his point. More realistically, five nights a week works out to $80/night, if you have to cover room and food with that it's definitely not the greatest pay for a professional band. But times are tough, my bands *do* work for $50 a man for the most part, although we don't travel to do it. Also, we don't play that often, either. I average about 6 gigs a month. Definitely leaves me in the "need a day job" column.
  7. jerry

    jerry Definitely not trending Gold Supporting Member

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    Musicians can be a wee bit snarky.;)
  8. two fingers

    two fingers Loud Mouth Know It All Blowhard Gold Supporting Member

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    Wait, somewhere between the OP and the guy who replied I think there is some confusion. Are you paying the PLAYER $400 a week? How many days/nights a week do you guys play?

    In other words, to get my $400 a week, how many shows would I generally play and how many days on the road are we talking about? When you say "travel 5-10 weeks on" you don't actually mean leave the house and return 5-10 weeks later, do you? Is this a weekend gig or all week as well?

    Your ad is kind of vague so I think the guy who replied was confused as to the pay per show aspect of it.

    If you could clear that up (both for us and in your ad) I'm sure that would cut down on the ugly responses.

    Although, I will go ahead and throw this out there. If you ARE talking about $400 a week to be on the road (literally) 5-10 weeks at a time, and traveling overseas, etc. then the guy who replied may just be on point. $400 dollars a week isn't nearly enough. Not even close. You guys are getting scammed by your agents. Period. Even here in NC we make more than that per man over a WEEKEND of doing private/corporate gigs (and up to that playing bars). Times aren't THAT tough. You're getting ripped off big guy. Hope the "agent" isn't your brother-in-law.

    That being said, I agree with your point. Had I seen your ad on my local CL, I would have just laughed out loud a little and kept moving. I would not have written you a nastygram about it.
  9. georgiagoodie

    georgiagoodie It's all fun&games 'til the flying monkeys show up Supporting Member

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    'Tell me about it.
    At big band rehearsal last night, we had a bone player come in to audition, and on one of the tunes (Dizzy's "Manteca"); during the band's only second reading of the tune, I miss a repeat. So after we finished the tune the auditioning bone says: "Bassplayer, I think you missed the repeat at "J"". SERIOUSLY?, on your audition night, you call out a veteran member of the rhythm section for not reading the chart perfectly? SERIOUSLY?
  10. lfmn16

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    Unfortunately there is no 'dick' repellant for craigslist. We have them on TB too; people that get their panties in a knot over every little thing. :rollno:

    Sounds like you take the high road, good for you!
  11. RichardCranium

    RichardCranium Supporting Member

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    Gigs vary between weekend gigs to 5-6 days runs depending on where the gig is.

    Again not to be crass but if you guys are making a grand a week in a touring cover band please pass along your agent's # and where you play.

    Let's do some simple math. Say a 5 day gig pays a total of $3000. Minus the agent's 15% is $2550. 5 band members @$400 leaves $550. A large part of that goes to gas and expenses we travel in a full-size van and 20 ft trailer. 95% of the time rooms are taken care of there's only 1-2 places we have to cover lodging which comes off the top.

    FWIW I think I found the guy that wrote the e-mail and if his band is getting $2000 a night than we're living in bizzaro world.
  12. Ed Fuqua

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    You must not be from Asheville....
  13. two fingers

    two fingers Loud Mouth Know It All Blowhard Gold Supporting Member

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    You need to search for a better agent. Find one that stays away from boats and hotels. You need to be doing private parties and corporate gigs. Just do some research. Go to one of those showcases where you can "audition" for an agency. In FL you should be getting $3000 for a WEDDING, not a WEEK. When I left my last long-term band, we were turning down any wedding below $3500, and most were upwards of $5000. A couple got well over that. And we're talking Mid-Atlantic states here. FL beach house owners should be rolling in dough. And you guys have almost as much coastline as Mexico!

    Regardless, $3000 for a week's work for a FULL BAND is ridiculous! And trying to eat on the road for weeks at a time for $400 a week must (literally) eat up half of what you make! How do you guys live? Do you live in the van? You guys should move to NC or Southern VA. Centrally located to everywhere from GA to DC and the pay is better for a good variety band. And the cost of living is cheaper than FL. You could make around that much EACH (if not more) in a WEEKEND. Then you could get a day job during the week and be set financially.

    Best of luck either way.
  14. two fingers

    two fingers Loud Mouth Know It All Blowhard Gold Supporting Member

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    Nope. Eastern flat lands. I have a place in Banner Elk (a little west of Asheville) that I love. But I live where I can see for miles with no mountain..... cuz it's so flat.
  15. dtsamples

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    Ha, your handle is RichardCranium, and you've just started a thread complaining about a dude being a RichardCranium. What's that saying about the pot and the kettle? :bag: ;)
  16. SactoBass

    SactoBass There are some who call me.......Sactobass

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    Some people just live in a world of negativity. I will never understand it, but then, that's probably because I choose to live my life being happy and maintaining a positive attitude.

    Ever since humans have infested this planet, there have been happy polite upbeat humans, and unhappy whining complaining humans. I try my best to distance myself from humans who fall into the latter category. And despite my best efforts, there seems to be no escape from those types, as evidenced by the reply you received to your ad. Whenever I encounter one of the undesirable beasts, I smile and tell myself that I am so thankful that I'm not stuck going through life being that person. They are stuck with it! Eew!
  17. FretNoMore

    FretNoMore * Cooking with GAS * Supporting Member

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    Welcome to the Internet. It's a great vehicle for a lot of frustrated basement dwellers ...
  18. Ukiah Bass

    Ukiah Bass Supporting Member

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    I understand musician pay is generally low, but if you're going on the road for a couple months a shot for that kind of money, where are you sleeping? Under a cardboard slat in an alley? Breakfast at McDonalds? Doesn't look like a very attractive proposition from this screen.
  19. Ed Fuqua

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    Spend a little time reading Asheville CL music ads, you'll see what I did there....
  20. HolmeBass

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    I want to meet Two Finger's agent! Actually I am not playing in a variety/wedding/corporate band, more 50-50 covers and originals, on the psychedelic rock and island music side of things.

    I wouldn't mind getting hooked up with a good wedding band, except for having to quit the bands I'm in. And maybe deal with people I'm not great friends with. Still, $3000 a gig does sound good. I only know one wedding/corporate band around here, Charlottesville, VA, that makes anything like that regularly though, and they actually make much more, but it's a traditional big band. It's a cash cow for the BL, even paying 15 musicians, but he only pays them $200 a gig, plus travel, room and board for gigs.
  21. VanillaThundah

    VanillaThundah VERY enthusiastic walks... Supporting Member

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    +1

    and people who feel it is their duty in life to "enlighten the unwashed masses" lol. Sounds like my roommate :rolleyes:

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