Songs with 7+5 chords

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  1. Hankenstein

    Hankenstein Supporting Member

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    Can anyone suggest any songs with lots of dominant sharp 5 chords? I need some for a lesson.

    Thanks
     
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    Do you want +7 with natural 9ths chords for the whole-tone scale or +7 implying the altered scale?

    For the altered scale, any jazz tunes in minor could be a good source. A minor Blues for example.
     
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    Both actually - Minor blues is a good thought but I'm really looking for songs where the 7+5 is the featured sound.

    Thanks though.
     
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  6. Hankenstein

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    Nice. Thanks. Hoping for some Jazz standards also.
     
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    Be aware that many leadsheets in fakebooks will write a 7+5 chord when, in fact, the chord is a dominant with a b9 and b13. The first chord in the bridge to "Stella..." is one example.
     
  8. Hankenstein

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    And, of course, there's the G7 b13 later in Stella that is often treated as 7+5. Looking for a song with vast expanses of that sound.
     
  9. GrowlerBox

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    That's what he said ...
     
  10. Hankenstein

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    yikes - so he did. Sorry.
     
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    All the things you are, last chord before the last A part is C7+5.
     
  12. SeaBassTheFish

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    Juju. First four bars are B7+5.

    Very whole-tone-y though.
     
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    Look To the Sky
     
  14. Stick_Player

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    This is very true.

    Take a look at the first five chords to Someday My Prince Will Come.

    In Bb, it is often written as:

    || BbMaj7 | D7+5 | EbMaj7 | G7+5 | Cm7 | etc...

    The second and fourth chords are commonly written as X7+5.

    These chords, at the second and fourth measures, would probably be more correctly noted (from the Common Practice Period) as D7b13 (no 5th, 9th, 11th) - D, F#, C, Bb, and G7b13 (no 5th, 9th, 11th) - G, B, F, Eb, respectively.

    But it's a lot easier to read X7+5 and know that it's really an X7b13 (no 5th, 9th, 11th).

    :D
     
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    Birth of the Blues:
    C7 |G7 G7+5 | C7 C7+5| F7....
     
  16. Hankenstein

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    Thanks, guys. Very helpful.
     
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    When Your Lover Has Gone, bars 14 and 30.
    Good Bye (Gordon Jenkins) bar 3 of the A section. Song construction is ABA.
     
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    The one thing that trips me out, why didn't Abersol correct all those X7+5 chords to read X7 b13? Thats why its muy importante to actually listen to the tunes instead of just reading them out of the Real Book. I remember the first time I played through Stella, and with my nascent jazz chops decided I should play G whole tone on the G7+5 chord...it just didn't work...it sounded odd and stoopid...don't get me wrong, whole tone is a beautiful thing, just play it where it works...the ears will always win...
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  19. Stick_Player

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    I'll coin a new Chord Symbol: X7b6

    :cool:

    Just yesterday, I found an example of an "E7b6"* harmony (er... X7b13) in Bach's Chorale #232, 2nd full measure, beat 2. Definitely NOT an E7+5. And, it is deceptively followed by an F-chord (not an Am-chord). Similar to measure 2 - 3, in Someday My Prince Will Come - a somewhat common Deceptive Cadence progression: V7 - VI, in a Minor Key.

    If one is aching to blow a Whole-Tone Scale over a REAL "X7+5", the intro to Stevie Wonders - You Are the Sunshine of My Life - has one. :thumbsup:

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    * I should clarify... There is NO Fifth in this chord. It should probably be labeled: X7b6(no 5). The Flat-6 (Minor Sixth) moves to the Perfect Fifth - no kidding.

    The FOUR-VOICE writing would be: Root, Major Third, Minor Seventh, Minor Thirteenth/Sixth.
     
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