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Songs with 7+5 chords

Discussion in 'Music Theory [DB]' started by Hankenstein, Jan 30, 2013.


  1. Hankenstein

    Hankenstein Supporting Member

    Jul 7, 2010
    Piermont, New York
    Can anyone suggest any songs with lots of dominant sharp 5 chords? I need some for a lesson.

    Thanks
     
  2. tstone

    tstone

    Nov 16, 2010
    San Francisco, CA
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  4. Groove Master

    Groove Master

    Apr 22, 2011
    Montreal
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    Author of Groove 101, Slap 101 and Technique 101
    Do you want +7 with natural 9ths chords for the whole-tone scale or +7 implying the altered scale?

    For the altered scale, any jazz tunes in minor could be a good source. A minor Blues for example.
     
  5. Hankenstein

    Hankenstein Supporting Member

    Jul 7, 2010
    Piermont, New York

    Both actually - Minor blues is a good thought but I'm really looking for songs where the 7+5 is the featured sound.

    Thanks though.
     
  6. Hankenstein

    Hankenstein Supporting Member

    Jul 7, 2010
    Piermont, New York
    Nice. Thanks. Hoping for some Jazz standards also.
     
  7. Be aware that many leadsheets in fakebooks will write a 7+5 chord when, in fact, the chord is a dominant with a b9 and b13. The first chord in the bridge to "Stella..." is one example.
     
  8. Hankenstein

    Hankenstein Supporting Member

    Jul 7, 2010
    Piermont, New York
    And, of course, there's the G7 b13 later in Stella that is often treated as 7+5. Looking for a song with vast expanses of that sound.
     
  9. GrowlerBox

    GrowlerBox

    Feb 10, 2010
    Nude Zealand
    That's what he said ...
     
  10. Hankenstein

    Hankenstein Supporting Member

    Jul 7, 2010
    Piermont, New York
    yikes - so he did. Sorry.
     
  11. contrabart

    contrabart

    Mar 19, 2010
    All the things you are, last chord before the last A part is C7+5.
     
  12. SeaBassTheFish

    SeaBassTheFish

    May 19, 2011
    Juju. First four bars are B7+5.

    Very whole-tone-y though.
     
  13. hgiles

    hgiles

    Nov 8, 2012
    Virginia
    Look To the Sky
     
  14. Stick_Player

    Stick_Player Banned

    Nov 13, 2009
    Somewhere on the Alaska Panhandle (Juneau)
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    This is very true.

    Take a look at the first five chords to Someday My Prince Will Come.

    In Bb, it is often written as:

    || BbMaj7 | D7+5 | EbMaj7 | G7+5 | Cm7 | etc...

    The second and fourth chords are commonly written as X7+5.

    These chords, at the second and fourth measures, would probably be more correctly noted (from the Common Practice Period) as D7b13 (no 5th, 9th, 11th) - D, F#, C, Bb, and G7b13 (no 5th, 9th, 11th) - G, B, F, Eb, respectively.

    But it's a lot easier to read X7+5 and know that it's really an X7b13 (no 5th, 9th, 11th).

    :D
     
  15. Birth of the Blues:
    C7 |G7 G7+5 | C7 C7+5| F7....
     
  16. Hankenstein

    Hankenstein Supporting Member

    Jul 7, 2010
    Piermont, New York
    Thanks, guys. Very helpful.
     
  17. When Your Lover Has Gone, bars 14 and 30.
    Good Bye (Gordon Jenkins) bar 3 of the A section. Song construction is ABA.
     
  18. The one thing that trips me out, why didn't Abersol correct all those X7+5 chords to read X7 b13? Thats why its muy importante to actually listen to the tunes instead of just reading them out of the Real Book. I remember the first time I played through Stella, and with my nascent jazz chops decided I should play G whole tone on the G7+5 chord...it just didn't work...it sounded odd and stoopid...don't get me wrong, whole tone is a beautiful thing, just play it where it works...the ears will always win...
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  19. Stick_Player

    Stick_Player Banned

    Nov 13, 2009
    Somewhere on the Alaska Panhandle (Juneau)
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    I'll coin a new Chord Symbol: X7b6

    :cool:

    Just yesterday, I found an example of an "E7b6"* harmony (er... X7b13) in Bach's Chorale #232, 2nd full measure, beat 2. Definitely NOT an E7+5. And, it is deceptively followed by an F-chord (not an Am-chord). Similar to measure 2 - 3, in Someday My Prince Will Come - a somewhat common Deceptive Cadence progression: V7 - VI, in a Minor Key.

    If one is aching to blow a Whole-Tone Scale over a REAL "X7+5", the intro to Stevie Wonders - You Are the Sunshine of My Life - has one. :thumbsup:

    ====

    * I should clarify... There is NO Fifth in this chord. It should probably be labeled: X7b6(no 5). The Flat-6 (Minor Sixth) moves to the Perfect Fifth - no kidding.

    The FOUR-VOICE writing would be: Root, Major Third, Minor Seventh, Minor Thirteenth/Sixth.
     
    Last edited: Sep 1, 2014



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