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Sort of a silly question about bass heads

Discussion in 'Amps [BG]' started by accidentprone13, Oct 24, 2013.

  1. accidentprone13

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    Hey, so I've just recently started playing guitar with some friends in a new band and I've run into bit of a conundrum. I'm about to get a Kasino bass head for next to nothing and I've got a 8ohm guitar cab that a friend is giving to me because he doesn't use it. Can I run the bass head through the guitar cab if I'm just planning on playing guitar through it? I know guitar speakers aren't made to handle the low frequencies and can bust, but does that only apply to playing bass through a guitar cab?

    Long story short: will an 8ohm bass head blow the speakers of an 8ohm guitar cabinet if I'm playing guitar through it?

    Also: we use a lot of feedback and noisy guitar parts, will that affect speakers in a bass cabinet if I end up just running it through a bass cab?

    Thanks y'all!
  2. JimmyM

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    You may be OK using a guitar, however, common sense is your friend, and if you think your cab sounds like it'll explode, it likely will.
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    It depends on the wattage of the head, the wattage of the cab, and how loud you turn it up.

    If the cab can handle more power than the amp puts out, you should be ok.
  4. accidentprone13

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    Not sure what the wattage of the head is, the cab is a Vox V112TV. I think they're rated for 30 watts?
  5. accidentprone13

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    That ebay head looks like a 4 channel PA head.

    I'd guess the model number U100-P might mean it's 100 watts, but I don't know.

    Maybe you can find some info on the net about the head.
  7. accidentprone13

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    Yeah, the one I'm getting has 4 inputs as well, but the guy swore it was a bass head. I think maybe he just doesn't know what he's talking about. I'm looking up the U100-P to see what's up.
  8. IPYF

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    I wouldn't bother. That head is going to sound like a poo being done mounted on that VOX. You would be better off with almost anything else.
    Unless your goal is to sound like you're playing a scrubbing brush through a tin can...

    Get a bit of money together and get an actual guitar head. It doesn't matter how cheap you can get that thing. The money would be better spent on paying someone to punch you, or on food.
  9. accidentprone13

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    While this painted quite a picture, why do you think it'd sound bad?
  10. IPYF

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    It looks like an old style PA. Probably it was designed to cover a very narrow range of frequencies mostly aligned to older vocal microphones. If it's got 100w of solid state power (which probably it realistically doesn't because old solid state wattage ratings are usually not accurate) it will probably be broken down by channel giving you 25w of beautiful solid state per input.

    Long story short, it will be dry and tinny to start off with and won't give you any kind of decent voicing for an electric guitar. On top of that it probably be quieter than most practice amps.

    It will probably make sounds. That's about all you could say for it. You've got a good little cab. I use a Vox NT cab and I love all of their cab offerings. It would be a shame to mount that ugly old lump on top of it.

    Then again, if it's that cheap it might be worth spending $20 on if you don't have to drive too far. It's the kind of thing I'd expect to see a hipster playing an Oud through ironically.
  11. accidentprone13

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    Ah, makes sense about the 25w thing. I am laughing hard about the Oud comment.

    The guy with the head is throwing in a Fender 2x10 cab, but he said only one speaker is currently putting out any noise. He's not sure if the other speaker is blown or if it's a bad connection. Would that make it worth my time/money?

    Edit: If it is solid state, 25w would be about as loud as the speakers on my phone in comparison to the rest of my band... Here's (doubtfully) hoping it's tube...
  12. IPYF

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    If you like to tinker and you're an adept tinkerer maybe this is a job for you as a nice little project. I certainly hate having to open things up so I wouldn't be touching this with a 10 ft pole.

    As a guitarist who knows how cheaply you can set yourself up with a rocking rig these days I'd be looking elsewhere. You're already half-way there with your cab. I'd just ebay for an VOX AC4 head or a NT15. Even with only 4 or 15w tube that would be louder and infinitely better than that old beater head and on the second hand market you would be looking at having to spend maybe $150-200 US tops to sound absolutely great.
  13. accidentprone13

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    You raise a good point, the used market is getting almost over saturated with people getting rid of great amps. I think am curious by nature and also very much a tinkerer, and that is why this amp stuck out to me. Also because the guy wants to practically give it away.. I'm going to play it tomorrow, I'll crank it up and see how it sounds. Going with another head might be the better option though.. Thanks!
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    I think it would sound horrible, and you won't be able to hear yourself over the voice and drums. Forget getting that nice feedback/noise you're shooting for.

    Get 50 bucks, and buy a cheap guitar combo off CL. Whatever cheapo you get will be better than this head/cab combination.
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  16. Mosfed

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    You will be fine. Then depending on how it sounds you can decide if it's right for you. But I don't think you will blow anything up. But as jimmy said - use common sense
  17. christw

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    Noisy/feedback bits with bass get dangerous if you don't have a bass cab with a significantly higher wattage rating than your head (go with 3x the power handling to be safe.)

    To all the naysayers, I'm willing to bet I could get some gnarly tones out of that combination with a pedal in front.

    As well, this:

    ...Is flat out wrong. If this were the case, no SVT would ever give out its full 300w unless you plugged into both its inputs. Or Marshall amps a full 100w. The list goes on. Amps are simple in their operation. You can run any number of properly mixed/buffered preamps into a single power amplifier and get maximum output. That Kustom happens to have four preamps that run into one power amp all nicely stuffed into one box.
  18. Downunderwonder

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    Add one nasty cheap Zoom pedal for instant rockstar.
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    If you don't mind me asking, how much are you getting it for?

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