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Sports Car vs Grand Tourer

Discussion in 'Off Topic [BG]' started by ggvicviper, Feb 7, 2014.

  1. ggvicviper

    ggvicviper P is the Key. Call me Marc or Marky Potatoes. Gold Supporting Member

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    I'm really confused about something regarding cars. A lot of sports cars that I am familiar with are regarded as "Grand Tourers". Some of them made sense, like the Mercedes AMG CLK and Nissan Skyline GT-R, which are both high performance touring versions of their respective cars. However, I've also seen the Toyota Supra, Mitsubishi 3000GT and Porsche 911 referred to as Grand Tourers. I thought they were just sports cars, particularly the iconic 911. Meanwhile, Lamborghinis, the Acura NSX and Corvette are just sports cars, not GTs. Roadsters are a lot easier to distinguish, being smaller convertibles, but many refer to them as sport cars too. I digress.

    So, what makes something a GT, or what makes it a pure sports car?
  2. tastybasslines

    tastybasslines I'll hump your leg Supporting Member

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    I've always thought of touring versions of cars to have amenities that would serve no purpose in a car designed for mostly sport purposes. Things like heated seats, moon or sun roof, roof racks, things like that that would make a trip more enjoyable or comfortable.
  3. ArtechnikA

    ArtechnikA I endorsed a check once... Gold Supporting Member

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    The 911, like the 356 before it, is/was a GT.

    One differentiating feature -- more of a tendency than a hard-and-fast -- is the 'rear seating area.' If you have one, GT. If you are a pure 2-seater - sports car.

    E.g. - 550 - not a GT.

    Some of it comes down to FIA racing homologation.
    904 had no rear seating arrangement but was homologated in the GT category and could carry, per Le Mans regulations - a 'suitcase' of specified size.

    Whether or not the top comes off is not a designating factor although as in many things - affects the fun content...
  4. ggvicviper

    ggvicviper P is the Key. Call me Marc or Marky Potatoes. Gold Supporting Member

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    Ok, but the Skyline GT-R (not the more recent Nissan GT-R) is classified as a GT, and has only two seats. Is that whee the suitcase rule comes in? Is that even still around?

    Also, what would the 300ZX be? Sports car or GT?
  5. ArtechnikA

    ArtechnikA I endorsed a check once... Gold Supporting Member

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    'Classified' by who ?

    I suppose the manufacturer can call it anything they want.
    These days, "GT" cars are derived from / based upon road cars and must share some percentage of the road car. "Sports cars" are 'prototypes' - purpose-built race cars.

    I don't know who makes the rules (FIA maybe - for international motorsports regulation purposes. ACO for LeMans/IMSA...) or who is charged with enforcing them.

    It would not surprise me to learn (but I am speculating) that there's an insurability factor to a manufacturer's designation. If you call it a 'touring' car - grand or not - it has an air of respectability to it. 'Sports car' just sounds dangerous ;-)

    A Cayman has but two seats - as does the Boxster and the 914 before them - and they were always GT cars.

    Maybe it's the trunk - although MG's had those too. Is an MGB a sports car or a GT? I donno - although it's hinted in the MGB/GT ...

    I have no more to offer - this is your quest, not mine ;-)
    I bet Google or Wikipedia have some opinion on the matter...

    (OK - I peeked. They do. They're hardly definitive ;-) ...)
  6. ggvicviper

    ggvicviper P is the Key. Call me Marc or Marky Potatoes. Gold Supporting Member

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    Classified by Wikipedia actually. That's what makes this so confusing.
  7. DerHoggz

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    The archetypal modern sports car would be the Miata (although technically a roadster imagine a hardtop). A sports car would not be comfortable for a cross-country trip, while a GT would.
  8. yodedude2

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    long ago, a roadster was a two door car without a hard top and without roll-up windows. they had either fixed panes or pieces that snapped into place.
  9. fhm555

    fhm555 So FOS my eyes are brown Supporting Member

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    How's this analogy?

    GT would be the equivalent of a bagger in the motorcycle world. Comfy and capable of the long haul.

    Sports car would be the equivalent of a little bar hopping sportster. A real lean, clean quick little light to light racer that would have your back in fits after more than 30 minutes in the saddle.
  10. DogBone

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    Mostly marketing. :)

    A sports car is what happens when a manufacturer wants to make a no frills, high performing vehicle that an enthusiast would enjoy pushing to the limit.

    A GT is when a manufacturer takes that same car and puts creature comfort stuff on it so it actually sells.
  11. bmc

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    That's a good description. I looked long and hard at choosing between a Miata and a Z3. The Miata is a sports car, as per your definition. The Z3 is the latter. Actually, I describe the Z3 as a looking like a sports car, but it handles like a sedan.
  12. GlennW

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    On early MGB's a heater was an option, as was an ashtray and AM radio.
  13. ArtechnikA

    ArtechnikA I endorsed a check once... Gold Supporting Member

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    The Porsche Speedster was always listed with an optional heater, in order to keep the MSRP below $3,000 (!). All a marketing ploy of course - as an aircooled car, the heat exchanger system was built into the exhaust system and could not be deleted...

    Optional radio on those too - but you must recall that these were the days of 6V electrical systems and tube radios...
  14. GlennW

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    and inner tubes.
  15. Pilgrim

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    To me:

    Sports cars have two seats. No more.

    Fancy two seaters with flossy interiors are "grand tourers" or some such term.
  16. Chunk-O-Funk

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    Suspension and tires are the difference.

    Straight "sports car" has a tight suspension and higher speed rated type of tires.

    "Touring" is just as it sounds. A more comfortable ride that will handle bumpier roads. Generally meaning a softer suspension with tires that have more of a side wall.


    Both types are usually available. You can get a Grand Touring package if offered.
    Also, the interior will be different between the two.
  17. Mike N

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    My ElCamino has two seats. Sports car or truck? :help:
  18. DerHoggz

    DerHoggz I like cats :| Supporting Member

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    Bastardized awesomeness.
  19. Pilgrim

    Pilgrim Supporting Member

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    Mike, Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike.......

    [​IMG]

    You know better than that!

    I personally think El Caminos are cool (the '59 is my long-time favorite) but my wife, a farm girl, has trained our daughters to chant "wussy truck" whenever I mention one. IMO your Camino falls into the muscle car category, which is a place of honor.

    It can't be a sports car with a pickup bed on it...nor with a station wagon rear end.

    A Jag E-type 2+2 is a lot closer to a sports car than an El Camino is, even though no actual human beings can use the back seats.
  20. Mike N

    Mike N Supporting Member

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    According to one of the other threads here an muscle car has room for 4 people, so the El Camino is left out, once again.

    Your wife, being a farm girl, should look at an El Camino as being a "cowboy cadillac."

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