Source I agree with all this but I don't know about the "crappy bass players" part. I'm not quite sure what he means by that. I think the standout players are very cool & inspirational, but it also sounds really good to my ears when the bass plays along with the main riff...well, that's when you can actually hear the bass to begin with. The lack of audible bass in Metal is a definitely failure on all parts, including bass players for putting up with it. I always wonder what's going on in the minds of these bands when they finish a new album & the bass is completely buried. Do they even care? I picture them all sitting around in the studio (or wherever) listening to the finished product, enjoying how they can hear all their parts. Then there's the bass player sitting there pretending to be pleased with the album's sound even though the bass is completely buried. How much say does a typical bass player have in a band that's domianted by guitars & drums. It's gotta be tough if you don't write the songs or handle vocals. What do you people think?