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Strings going to "wrong" tuning pegs.

Discussion in 'Hardware, Setup & Repair [BG]' started by cbyrd2200, Feb 17, 2014.


  1. cbyrd2200

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    I really do hate to call it wrong (because its different! not wrong) but I just needed to get the idea across.

    Why do players do this? Quite frankly, I didn't notice any difference in the playability of an instrument strung in such a fashion. Maybe someone can explain something I missed?
     
  2. LagBox

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    That looks like it could potentially fix the 'rattling A string' issue that's fairly common with this kind of headstock. The A string is pulled under the string tree here.

    Is it worth it? I don't know.
     
  3. Jazz Ad

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  4. FretlessMainly

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    I'd call it wrong because it greatly increases the odds of busting a nut, so to speak.

    And transferring it to the G string.
     
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  6. themarshall

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    Maybe the strings were originally on a 2 + 2 headstock?
     
  7. cbyrd2200

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    Not true. Think about this. in order to prevent the string from buzzing within the nut, they pull it downwards over the nut in order to bind it in the nut .Remember, the A string typically has a straight path to its tuner (this is why they can't pull the A sideways like the G in this picture). By bending the G string sideways, you are still causing the string to bind. So the G string on the bass does not, will not, cannot rattle when strung like this.

    At the same time, this is not the correct solution to this problem. I've found that by putting as much string on the tuner as possible, I've been able to get rid of buzz on the A string of my jazz bass.

    Edit: just thought about this. Take a fender bass with your typical A string buzz and press sideways on the A string behind the nut. The string stops rattling. Its not because your finger is muting it. Otherwise the string wouldn't make sound. Its because its being bound in the nut.
     
  8. cbyrd2200

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    One hell of a gap between the E tuner and A tuner on that bass with the 2+2 headstock if that's the case.
     
  9. johnson79

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    In 24 years of playing bass I've never seen this. Looks ridiculous.
     
  10. Hopkins

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    I will call it wrong because it is wrong. It is going to side load the nut against the string, making it more difficult to tune, and can damage the nut. That and it just looks silly.
     
  11. unclebass

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    That would explain this layout. E and G strings are shortest, A and D strings longest. You could do it if 2x2 strings weren't cut overly short, just really not a smart idea.
     
  12. john m

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    Pulling a string sideways does not always stop rattle.

    As stated--- you should wind the string so it ends up low on the tuner post to create downward pressure. Or install a tree.


     
  13. hover

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    Add me to the what the holy-heck am I looking at camp...never seen, heard of, nor ever occurred to me or any of my fellow bassists to ever do this. Did you just make this up because you had an oopsie or odd "moment of clarity"? Fess up

    And don't blame it on it being a Squier...never seen one come like that. Mayhaps it's the new Pete Wentz signature?
     
  14. Major Softie

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    I would get SO confused when I was tuning....
     
  15. cbyrd2200

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    Craigslist, my friend, is like a box of chocolates. You never know what your going to get. I was about as surprised as you are.

    Edit: I've played a 5 string bass before where the low B went up to the A tuner on the bass side of the headstock, the A went down the E tuner and the E went down to the B tuner. That was where I played a bass strung as such; as I stated in the original post. I found this particular picture on a craigslist ad. Just clarifying.
     
  16. hover

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    As James Earl Jones and Malcom McDowell would say...that's totes cray cray.
     
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  18. Carl_D

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    I'm game.... I'll call it WRONG and stupid. One of my pet peeves is basses with strings that get pulled sideways past the nut. This takes it to a whole new level. :scowl:
     
  19. Willicious

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    Why do players do this? Brain damage.
     
  20. line6man

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    I've seen the E and A swapped around on high end basses, in a half-assed attempt to compensate for the lack of a string tree, but never anything this silly. :eyebrow:
     
  21. Bassist4Eris

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    When I first clicked into this thread and that picture came up, I laughed uncontrollably for several minutes, until the tears streamed down my face and I had to catch my breath. Even as I type this I'm fighting off giggles. :D
     

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