technical prog...

Discussion in 'General Instruction [BG]' started by Musicman1901, Mar 29, 2014.


  1. Musicman1901

    Musicman1901 Supporting Member

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    Hey guys. I have always been in rock, funk, or jazz/fusion style bands. I have recently been getting into some more complex heavy stuff like Animals as leaders, intronaut, mastodon, and the faceless. I really don't know how to approach this style playing wise as I have never done anything like it. Any tips on how to break into that style of playing from some people who are experienced in that genre? Thanks guys!
  2. Bainbridge

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    I personally don't play it, but there are some amazing players in the genre. Here's an interview with Joe Lester from Intronaut that's kinda fluff, but whatever: http://www.metalsucks.net/2013/03/0...ntronaut-on-how-to-jazz-up-your-sludge-riffs/

    Jeroen Paul Thesseling did some nice work on fretless for Obscura. A lot of his playing is melodic. Steve DiGiorgio's contributions to Death and Randy Coven's work with Ark are in a similar vein.
  3. oniman7

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    I've been playing (or attempting to play) that kind of music pretty much since I started playing.

    One thing is to know your keys and time signatures very well, if you don't already from your jazz backgrounds.

    The other thing interesting to note about progressive music is that it's rarely as complicated as it sounds. It does still tend to have its roots in rock and metal. There are, of course, a few exceptions (obscura, as listed above, would be one) but for the most part they have their roots in metal, jazz, and early stoner rock (Sabbath).

    Some of it you have to count and some of it you have to feel. Tesseract is a band where I would be 100% lost if I had to count it, so I had to learn to feel.

    Get your playing chops up to speed for sure. Most progressive bands go from finger picking to slapping to tapping. I still only do the first one well, I don't have a particular need to play the other two styles but I dabble a little in them.

    Also, learn your scales. So much of it will make more sense if you know your scales, particularly your diminished, minor, harmonic minor, and your basic modal scales.

    Learn the song really well in your head so that you're able to feel and hear the beats. That will help immensely with playing music from other people. For writing your own, I would get into some jazz and some classical in addition to some good old metal.

    Hope that helped.
  4. Musicman1901

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    I am quite confident in fingerstyle,slapping, and picking. Never really got into tapping although i'm sure it would help. Maybe I will start with learning those scales you listed and maybe a few covers from bassists in that style to get a feel for it,
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  6. Piggy8692

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    I wish that there was some more input here. I'm a fan of Mastodon. I'll be going to see them next month. :hyper:

    I'd be interested to hear about some different approaches people might have. Even though I know it can be completely different from song to song.
  7. MCS4

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    What exactly would you like to know? I've mainly played in hard rock/metal bands with prog leanings for years now and would be happy to help with whatever I can, but I don't really know where to start if the question is just "how do you play this style?"

    Many of the players from the bands mentioned in this thread play extremely differently -- and Animals As Leaders doesn't have a bass player, but rather two guitarists playing very low-tuned guitars.

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