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"the harder edge of soul/R&B" ?

Discussion in 'Recordings [BG]' started by lexington125, Dec 29, 2013.

  1. lexington125


    Sep 11, 2013
    hollywood, baby......
    i gots problems..........oh lawdy......i gots problems
    Has anyone ever stumbled across any websites that focus on that mix of styles that can best be described as "rockin' soul" or "hard soul" or "rock / r&b" songs? I'm looking to expand my skills in that style, but I can't really come up with any good name for the style; the best I can do is refer to it as the 'harder edge of soul/r&b. There were many bands from the late 50s onward that often played this style - from King Curtis to James Brown , a large part of the Staxx roster, etc. and numerous singles ranging from "Cool Jerk" to "Sookie Sookie". Can anyone point toward any web sites where I can dig into the more obscure end of this style and maybe still uncover some gems that I'm unfamiliar with?
  2. jerry

    jerry Doesn't know BDO Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 13, 1999
    Check out a newer band called Vintage Trouble, a little harder edged rockier R&B.
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  4. JPMo


    Dec 27, 2010
    Canton, Ga
  5. lexington125


    Sep 11, 2013
    hollywood, baby......
    i gots problems..........oh lawdy......i gots problems
    Interesting, and certainly not the typical LA 'product'. I'd claim that they seem a bit 'forced' and formulaic - (charismatic r&b singer in front of competent hard rock band.) I checked with GF and she saw their Letterman appearance last year.

    Appreciate the links, but (without sounding too much like an a$$)
    the backing band really sounds like any 3 thirty-something rock guys from the Vine st. union hall backing up "an incredible simulation of a soul singer" . But I doubt I could do better. My only point is that I'm looking for something a bit more authentic, and that probably means something from 40 years ago........

    re: Vintage Trouble - for an LA band with multiple appearances on all of the big TV shows, they have almost zero radio play on any LA stations - including the late night and "local" radio shows that play stuff like this. Do their songs come across well without the visuals???
  6. jerry

    jerry Doesn't know BDO Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 13, 1999
    I have their CD and dig what they are trying to do, you mentioned Sookie Sookie and they came to mind.
  7. Fretless1!


    Feb 19, 2007
    Yes, sir! :cool:
  8. Bassist4Eris

    Bassist4Eris Frat-Pack Sympathizer Supporting Member

    Aug 11, 2012
    Booker T. Jones made a great instrumental record a couple of years ago with the Drive By Truckers in the rhythm section and Neil Young on guitar.

  9. The 2nd album of Charles Bradley is kinda "heavy soul":
  10. JimK


    Dec 12, 1999
    Are you thinking about stuff like "Cloud Nine", "(I know) I'm Losing You", etc...i.e. Norman Whitfield-produced psychedelic R&B/Rock/Pop? If so, Dennis Coffey played guitar on some of those sessions.

    Also, "Sookie, Sookie"...the Steppenwolf tune?
    If so, bands like Humble Pie/Steve Marriot covered R&B/Soul tunes (albums like Eat It & Rockin' The Fillmore).

    How about Hummingbird (an offshoot of the Jeff Beck Group)? Jerry (see above) hipped me to their debut.
  11. Check out The Soul of the Net or Sir Shambling"s Deep Soul Heaven and then investigate further links from their pages. You could also type in the names of soul artists at Amazon and then follow the links to related artists. Google is your friend (when they're not spying on you)..
  12. Michedelic

    Michedelic MId-Century Modern Gold Supporting Member

    How about:
    Sharon Jones and the Dap Kings

    Do you check out the stuff going on at The Mint on Pico?

    On a related note, do NOT miss the Muscle Shoals documentary; it's still making the rounds of the art house theaters, but comes out on DVD/Blueray in Feb. I think. Manditory viewing for all musicians, period.
  13. dalo320

    dalo320 Supporting Member

    Nov 29, 2007
    Brooklyn, NY
  14. Guitalia


    Jun 7, 2008
    Baltimore, MD
  15. Michedelic

    Michedelic MId-Century Modern Gold Supporting Member

    Old stuff....
    there's more to Buddy Miles than Band Of Gypsies---

    Jaco served time in his band
  16. TonyP-

    TonyP- Excuse me but you have your I-IV-V in my II-V-I Gold Supporting Member

    Aug 21, 2003
    Boston Mass
    Endorsments listed in profile
    Thanks Jerry...I would have thought this as a perfect representation of what the OP was asking (but Lex explained a bit).

    Thanks for sharing, VT are nailing it IMO.
  17. steamthief


    Jan 25, 2006
    Mentone Beach
    Check out the Bellrays!
  18. JimK


    Dec 12, 1999

    Part of that comes off sounding like Prince (mid '80s).
  19. JimK


    Dec 12, 1999
    All these were good...even the Hendrix one. :)

    Buddy Miles...yes. His album with "Them Changes" also has some nice covers:
    The ABB classic "Dreams" (done in 4/4 here) & Neil Young's "Down By The River".
  20. Michedelic

    Michedelic MId-Century Modern Gold Supporting Member

    In the words of 'Columbo', just one more thing...
    I can't believe I forgot this guy, I've seen him live twice, and he just kills it in the Otis Redding style, JJ Grey...
  21. lexington125


    Sep 11, 2013
    hollywood, baby......
    i gots problems..........oh lawdy......i gots problems
    Jeez.........I need to clear out my schedule for a few days just to check out all of these links. Much thanks to everyone for all of the replies.

    Goal for 2014 is to find a couple of other guys into 50s blues (before it became about guitar heroics) and 60s soul and pull together a couple of sets of obscure tunes. One of the biggest problems with this type of music is that it is 40 or 50 years old and the big hits have just been played to death. But there are so many great, less well known songs just waiting for a good band to bring them to life.

    Oh, and as bass players, you should all appreciate this..... if you ever want to have some real fun, put an add on Craigslist saying to you want to join/start a blues band, only with the focus on the songs, not the guitar solos. the replies were priceless, you'd have thought that I committed the greatest sin possible - just imagine; a blues band that actually rehearses, and doesn't focus on soloing?!?

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