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Warwick vs ibanez

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by curbowkid, Jun 9, 2012.


  1. curbowkid

    curbowkid Guest

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    So here's the thing. I love my Warwick corvette and it has incredible tone. I mean he'll, it's a Warwick corvette std 5 passive ash. It speaks for itself.
    But I just got my grubby lil hands on an 06-07 ibanez sr506, with a wenge bubinga neck, and it sounds better than my Warwick. It's crisper, fuller and all around better. This has me stumped because I have taken every detail into account to make my Warwick sound as good as I could while keeping it stock. Nothing has been changed electronically or hardware wise. I got it strung with elixirs so dead strings is far from the issue. I'm shocked really that a 300 dollar bass (what I paid) has beaten my Warwick.

    On that note, has anyone else has a cheaper bass beat out their high end bass with everything stock except strings?
     
  2. Big mark

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    I think this is a trait of the Ibanez product. When bass shopping a couple of years ago I played many guitars and time after time the Ibanez bass's out gunned instruments costing 2-3 times as much.
     
  3. TinIndian

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    I own both. I have an Ibanez SRT805DX and I recently bought a Warwick Fortress Masterman. I love both. The Ibanez is very versatile and has a nice growl to it, Bubinga and Maple neck thru and Mahogany/Flamed Maple top. If the Ibby has a nice growl the Wick roars! Probably due to the all Wenge neck and flamed Maple body. Right now those are the 2 I will bring to gigs, my last 2 have been rained out so no chance to gig the Wick yet. It has come with me to practice though and it is very articulate and cuts thru the mix better than anything I've ever owned.
     
  4. number11

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    No surprise to me - Ibanez make some great basses.

    But what stands out to me is that your Warwick is passive, and while there's a popular swing towards passive basses, with phrases like "passive thump" being in common use like they are a constant, really, it sounds to me like the active circuit is pushing it for you.

    There's an articulacy in the top and a solidity in the low end that active can give you, even if the EQ is set to neither cut nor boost.
     
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  6. pedro in spain

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    I Had 7 basses at one time including a Warwick thumb bass the others were 2 SR 4str Ibanezes, 1 MIA Fenders P and 1 MIA Jazz bass, ! Cort 5 er another Ibanez 5er from the early 90s, What have i got left ??
    Cort 5er
    Ibanez 5er
    Ibanez SR 4er
    Speaks for itself , and man those Corts are so underated !!, I did a gig once a couple of years ago in a park in Central London (UK) and a few other Bassists were there and i heard the snide comments about the Cort, They were armed with the usual Sadowsky, Stingrays etc, After i did my slot they all wanted to know model number etc etc etc, And we all played through the same Trace Elliot amp, Cort are too focused on producing Basses / Guitars under other names than promote their own excellent products, You tube Cort factory tour and you will see what i mean....Pedro
     
  7. Big mark

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    Pedro, I agree Cort make some nice stuff. The A4sp is enough to drive anyone to put their hand in their pocket
     
  8. ubernator

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    I have 1998 Warwick FNA5, and 2000 FNA and FNA5, as well as IBZ SR500. I have experience with the corvette passive basses too. The SR500 with 3 band eq and bartolini pickups gives a nice tone and plays very fast with a slim neck, but is no where near as solid as the warwick, and the ovangkol necks on the 2000's gives them a punchier tone. The 98 with all wenge neck gives a warmer tone with less high end snap. The passive corvette electronics are not really that good, and upgrading the pickups to even quality jazz bass pickups would be an improvement, but the best would be to upgrade to a preamp like the basslines 3 band, and that will make all the difference in the world and the warwick will likely edge out the IBZ. It is definitely an unfair comparison due to the electronics.

    I will be selling my ibanez, and 98 fna5 because I have too many basses (USA J and P, Geddy Lee J, Steinberger XT2 and OLP stingray w/warwick pickup), Also selling classic stingray
     
  9. curbowkid

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    Well yea I figured the ibanez being active is what did it, but also my wick is an 08, not from the 90s, which is what I think is Warwick golden years. Which also contributes. But yes I do agree, everything ibanez puts out over the sr400 mark is awesome. The gios, mikros and gsrs are good for the price, but nothing to get all worked up about. I was thinking about getting the sr706 but for 300 bucks I'm very content with my 506. And I do 100% agree about cort. They are wicked underrated. I had a cort curbow 6er and it sounded amazing even though it was composite mostly. The only thing was, once the strings died, that was it, there was not a shred of tone to be had. I've played the a4s and they have very similar tone to ibanez. I don't understand how people get all fnskfnsofnskr over jazz and p basses like sadowsky, fender, warmoth builds and others. I find them to be quite muddy unless they are tricked out completely. Hard exotic woods are where it's at for tone. Ovankol, wenge, ebony, bubinga = bar none in my opinion.
     
  10. darkstorm

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    Warwicks stock pups and preamps are not the best around. Doesnt surprise me your Ibanez has better tone for you.
     
  11. KsPiNeSh

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    Interesting. I went from an SR505 to a Corvette standard because the Warwick was fuller, deeper, and cleaner to my ear. Nothing wrong with preferring a "cheaper" bass - play it and enjoy :)
     
  12. BioDriver

    BioDriver A Cinderella story Supporting Member

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    This. Changing the preamp in my Thumb really brought it to life.
     
  13. Jeff Bonny

    Jeff Bonny Gold Supporting Member

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    Hmmm....
    I had Warwick Streamer Corvette LTD (loaned it to a friend 15 years ago and never got it back...although I do use it in his studio when I'm in there) and that bass sounds amazing with the stock electronics. I also have a new Ibanez G104 (one of their more expensive instruments) that is one of the best playing basses I've ever owned but if I keep it I'll gut it and install some Kent Armstrong p.ups and a Sadowsky preamp.
     
  14. play4sanity

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    So what did you change it to? I have a Warwick Corvette Pro. I'm absolutely loving it but don't want to pass up a chance to make it better.
     
  15. bwoodman

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    I bet the Ibanez basses are all lighter in weight too. I'm not a fan of Warwick - mainly because of the body shapes and weight - at least ALL of the ones I've picked up were boat anchors - prolly in the range of 11 to 12 lbs - totally unacceptable. I recently bought a new Ibanez SR 605 as a backup bass and I'm very impressed by this $600 bass. I've read many postings about Ibanez going up against high $$ basses and blowing away the high $$ basses. I was impressed with Ibanez way back around 1985, when they were one of the first companies besides Yamaha to offer a 5 string. I owned one of those...until I discovered Tobias, but that's a whole 'nother story. Long story short - Ibanez - good / and a good value for the bread.
     
  16. VanillaThundah

    VanillaThundah Go Team Sea Slug!! Supporting Member

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    My Warwick Rockbass active Corvette sounds better than a Warwick passive Corvette :D


    The SR50(x)'s are great basses...my problem was that the smaller neck threw me off when I played my other, larger-necked basses. I ended up selling mine because of that.
     
  17. curbowkid

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    MEC pickups are actually really good. They are meant to be totally transparent so all u hear is the wood. No added on effects or boosts. And my wick doesn't have a pre
     
  18. curbowkid

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    The reason Warwick are boat anchors is because they use really dense woods to enrich their tone. Hence the Warwick sound. The thing is my Warwick has a wenge fretboard, ash body and ovankol neck. Ovankol is extremely hard and super dense, like ebony. My ibanez on the other hand has a wenge/bubinga neck, rosewood fretboard and a soft mahogany body. But has better tone. It's basicly a battle of woods and electronics. I've come to the conclusion that wenge is Warwicks main tone wood. Because even on my ibanez I have the wicked wick growl but with better highs and tighter lows. But the lows and highs could be all attributed to the electronics. I've put some thought into this and it's really interesting. I would really like 1 day to make like 20 identicly shaped and speed instruments, but on 10 change out the electronics for each one so they are different and then have 10 with different woods, plus 1 control with standard woods and electronics. It would be interesting to see the differences.
     
  19. BioDriver

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    I dropped in an Audere 4 band classic EQ (without Z-mode). Since the Thumb uses active pickups I had to wire it for 18v but it was totally worth it.

    Also worth noting is my Thumb is from 98, back when they used all Wenge necks and MEC's pickups weren't total crap. If I were in your shoes I'd swap the pickups for Nordstrand or Delano split coils and the Audere 4 band.
     
  20. flipper_gv

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    If you prefer the Ibanez, go for it. It must be lighter and easier to play too.

    But, I'm a Warwick guy and, to me, nothing sounds as good as my 'wick.
     
  21. LeDuck

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    Graphite in the neck is the thing for me. No matter how hard and dense and well seasoned the wood, it can't compare to graphite in strength, stability, and consistency of tone and sustain up and down the neck.

    Euro Spectors are every bit as good as USA Spectors in the neck department, as they come from the exact same blanks made in the Saugerties, New York, workshop. My graphite reinforced ReBop hasn't changed a thousanth inch in setup and playability since I bought it in 2003.

    My "plain Jane" dot inlay ReBop was bought like new on the used market for an insanely low price from a Gibson specialist dealer for half of what I paid for a used Rickenbacker 4004. The Rick was soon sold and I have no intention of ever parting with the ReBop. When I called up Spector and talked to P.J. Rubal, he admitted that the ReBop was his favorite among all the Spector basses, in spite of it being far from the most expensive.

    Aluminum locking bridge, solid alder body (no fancy laminated wood top to spoil alder tone), graphite reinforced maple neck, minimalist Aguilar preamp, passive EMG HZ pups, and the curved body that adds strength and increases resonance and sends the "bop" back around again so that it "rebops" is what makes the ReBop so good witghout being fancy and expensive.

    IT'S STRANGE THAT WARWICK HAS SEVERAL VERSIONS OF THE STREAMER WHICH IS A SPECTOR DESIGN RIPOFF, BUT THEY HAVEN"T MANAGED TO COPY THE REBOP WHICH IS THE FAVORITE OF THE CO-OWNER OF SPECTOR.

    The ReBop has a very SOILID sound, which is "soiled" plus "solid". Warwick may have a solid tone, and maybe Ibanez does too, but the ReBop is the King of Soilid, as it sends the bop back again and rebops it and punches you in the face. YOU HAVE BEEN SHOT AT AND MISSED, but you then realize you have been "sheet" at and hit....and you like it.

    My ReBop guitar strap has the words "Shot at and missed, $h*t at and hit" written on it.

    Hard neck and softer body seems to be the best formular for bass guitars. The best bass guitars among the cheap crowd are those with basswood bodies, which seems just hard enough to hold screws without pulling out. My OLP MM2 is an example, and Warwick had nothing near the price that could compete against it.

    Of course, if you had a solid or mostly graphite neck (like Modulus), then even the hardest woods are soft in comparison. Graphite necks and wood bodies are the future of bass guitars. Warwick will have to abandon their "sound of wood" philosophy and advance to the position of Spector and Modulus to be at the forefront of bass design.

    If you ever get a basswood bodied bass, pull out all the screws when you get it and harden the wood that the screws anchor into by running glue into all the holes with a toothpick to where you get a thick even coat all around the hole, clear down to the bottom, allow it to harden overnight, then reassemble. You will have no more trouble with screws pulling loose and can torque the bridge and neck SOILIDLY down against the soft body for best tone.
     

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