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Who's more selfish; men or women?

Discussion in 'Off Topic [BG]' started by MAJOR METAL, Feb 6, 2014.

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Whose more selfish; men or women?

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  1. Men

    11 vote(s)
    21.2%
  2. Women

    9 vote(s)
    17.3%
  3. Carrot People

    32 vote(s)
    61.5%
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  1. MAJOR METAL

    MAJOR METAL A Hard Rockin Lover of GREENBURST Supporting Member

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    In your experience, who would you say is more selfish; men or women? I'm going to have to say men, from my experience at least.
  2. Bocete

    Bocete Supporting Member

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    Who's :bag:

    Hard to say. The most selfish person I've met is female. But I don't see trends either way.
  3. Tituscrow

    Tituscrow Hit Me With Your Rhythm Stick Supporting Member

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    I normally dig your 'either/or' threads, but this is a bit daft.

    Gender does not in any way, shape or form determine personality traits such as 'selfishness'.

    Nevertheless, I fully expect the good folk of TBOT to weigh in with anecdotal opinions and absolute assertions.

    So, to play along....men. No, women. Er, no... men. No...women.

    I'll get back to you.
  4. Jazz Ad

    Jazz Ad Mi la ré sol Gold Supporting Member

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    +1
  5. DeathFromBelow

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    Oooooh, I know someone who's going to love this thread...
  6. bassybill

    bassybill The smooth moderator... Supporting Member

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    Men, in terms of gamete production strategy.

    /endbiologylesson
  7. sneha1965

    sneha1965 Supporting Member

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    Selfishness is an equal opportunity employer.
  8. machine gewehr

    machine gewehr

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    I've met men that I wanted to punch in the face because of their shelfishness.

    I've met women who destroy lives because of their shelfishness.

    I think it's about the character, more like having one or not at all.
  9. Tituscrow

    Tituscrow Hit Me With Your Rhythm Stick Supporting Member

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    Selfiness? Shelfishness?

    Two great typos in two consecutive posts. :)
  10. Gazman

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    Crustaceans are more shellfish than men or women.
  11. DerHoggz

    DerHoggz I like cats :| Supporting Member

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    +whatever on this being a dumb question.
  12. bassybill

    bassybill The smooth moderator... Supporting Member

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    From an academic point of view, it's actually not a dumb question at all (apart from spelling "Who's" as "Whose" and grammatically attempting to use "Who is" rather than "Who are"). :p

    It's quite possible that some character traits are linked to differences in physiology, and males and females are physiologically different. As a matter of fact, relative selfishness of males and females, at least with regard to reproductive strategies, has been the subject of extensive study in biology, especially in the area of population genetics.

    So, it's not true to say there couldn't possibly be a connection between gender and selfishness, despite what most of us would like to think. There could very well be just such a connection, but the extent to which this manifests itself will depend heavily on cultural factors. In The Selfish Gene, Dawkins discusses a game theory analysis of this and the biologist John Maynard Smith took the ideas a lot further. The following paper gives a flavour of how this is a much deeper question than one might think. Be warned that it's not an easy read, especially if you don't like mathematics.

    http://homepage.univie.ac.at/~hofbauj6/87tpb_MS.pdf

    Major Metal, I bet you never knew you were being so profound when you posted this. ;)
  13. sneha1965

    sneha1965 Supporting Member

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    I call BS. Sorry. Saying there is a Selfish Gene is the beginning of people not taking responsibility for there actions. I don't know what things are like for you over there in the UK, but over here in the US it's an epidemic.
  14. i_got_a_mohawk

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    I have to agree with bassybill on this.

    Looking at Male and Female might not cut it, we may have to consider both gender and sex, as biological dispositions (sex specific) may be overruled by societal constructs (gender specific).

    Genetics vs Memetics.
  15. i_got_a_mohawk

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    Sure, there are elements like that in the UK, However, I'd call BS on that being a new phenomena.

    Even if people do have genetic dispositions, we also have societal pressures and the ability to make conscious decisions beyond that
  16. GregC

    GregC Johnny and Joe Gold Supporting Member

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    You realize you're opening the door wide for all the predictable TBOT responses pointing to one gender, right?;)
  17. bassybill

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    Nobody is saying there is "a selfish gene" as in a single gene that makes its carriers selfish. That would indeed be BS.

    Slightly off-topic, but as far as responsibility for our actions goes, some of the recent neuroscientific findings on free will are very interesting (it doesn't exist).

    And of course, there's a distinct difference between academic research and mere opinion.
  18. spade2you

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    Pretty much.
  19. bassybill

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    Damn, I was trying to close it. :D

    Simple summary of the paper, without all the maths - males and females are both capable of behaving selfishly, and the extent to which they do so is often determined by the behaviour of the opposite sex. Sometimes these strategies are symmetrical, and sometimes they aren't.

    It gets even more complicated if you start to take into account societal factors such as power or status asymmetries, as Mr. Mohawk said, but I'm not a social scientist so I won't go there at all.
  20. CrashClint

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    I think for the most part it is equal. Us guys have our vices and women have theirs as to what we are selfish about.
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