Why does Roger dislike his Ric tone?

Discussion in 'Recordings [BG]' started by Chrisk-K, Jan 12, 2013.

  1. Chrisk-K


    Jan 20, 2010
    Maryland, USA
    Here's the isolated Highway Star bass line.


    Roger has said many times he dislikes his tone on Machine Head. To me, it's a great rock bass tone....just on the verge of breaking up. Much more traditional sounding than the tones of the Ox, Squire and Geddy.
  2. SactoBass

    SactoBass There are some who call me.......Sactobass

    Jul 8, 2009
    Sacramento California
    Sounds like good classic Ric tone to me!
  3. 9mmMike

    9mmMike Would you happen to have a cookie for me? Supporting Member

    That is amazing.
  4. Tanner5382

    Tanner5382 Supporting Member

    Sep 26, 2010
    Canton, GA
    In an interview he said he felt like his Ric tone was just muddying up the mix of the band, too midrangy and not a proper bass tone.
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  6. uOpt

    uOpt Supporting Member

    Jul 21, 2008
    Boston, MA, USA
    It's not just the Rick, the whole rig wasn't "proper bass" gear either.

    I believe that Roger fell victim to a classic brain trap.

    It is easy to be unique - if you are willing to suck. I think Roger ended up thinking that his sound was unique but sucked. The fact that he played it at that time also due to being unable to afford "proper gear" contributed. He didn't get any money from record sales, it was all withheld by the record company to the "advances" (sounds familiar to anyone?).

    He also isn't a tinker so he didn't explore what to do about the capacitor in the rick. That could have made him happier. In the end he went for some quality but generic line later - the Vigier basses. But now it's not unique anymore.

    In general I think Roger is maybe a little more producer and manager than sound creating bassist, and he clearly is on the side of smoother, popular things.
  7. mcm


    Oct 2, 2007
    Nashville, TN
    he said while playing live he couldnt get "under" the band so he switched to pbasses
  8. Dellers


    Nov 7, 2006
    Well, his playing is good but the tone is really ugly. Completely lacks bottom as well. I'd guess that tones like that are one of the reasons why the bass is nowhere to be heard in a lot of rock and metal (or alternatively the bass is fighting for the same room as the other instruments and making it all muddy).
  9. PJRL


    Mar 27, 2010
    greenfield center NY
    I love his sound on that album, He's one of the guys that made me want to play bass. With the B-3 they were never lacking bottom, Roger's bass was right where it need to be.
  10. PJRL


    Mar 27, 2010
    greenfield center NY
    Funny, years ago I had a Ric 4001, that's pretty much what it sounded like. Now I have a new problem, I want a Ric !...........:eek:
  11. VigierUSA

    VigierUSA Supporting Member

    Jan 7, 2013
    Kingston, NY
    General Manager USA, Vigier Guitars
    I love Roger's tone on Machine Head but I get wanting to get 'under' the band. I feel the same way, personally (I'm also a devotee to the Excess at this point).