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Why don't they make the top horn longer on bass bodies?

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by jeffkew, Dec 22, 2013.

  1. jeffkew

    jeffkew Bass Curious

    Dec 14, 2010
    I'm wondering why they don't make the top horn longer on bass bodies in order to help with balance and reduce neck dive? My experience is mostly with fender basses, and most if not all I try have some degree of neck dive. Wouldn't it make sense to make the top horn extend to maybe the 10th fret instead of 12th to improve balance?
     
  2. ejmy

    ejmy

    Nov 30, 2008
    I guess you meant : Why do they make the top horn longer ?
     
  3. Fender made some that way, back in the late 80's/early 90's. They were unofficially dubbed the "boner bass".
     
  4. KayXero

    KayXero

    Apr 3, 2007
    For me, long horn boner basses are less comfortable. Im just to used to a typical P bass design.
     
  5. Means2nEnd

    Means2nEnd Supporting Member

    Absolutely correct like my Modulus, Lakland, and the non fender basses I own that do not have an upper horn that reaches the 12th fret design the body correctly with proper weight like my Spectors and Warwicks (minus the Thumbs)... I have no Fenders nor wish to.
     
  6. jeffkew

    jeffkew Bass Curious

    Dec 14, 2010
    No I was wondering why they don't make the top horn even longer than they currently do. It seems like it would reduce the ubiquitous neck dive issues.
     
  7. Doctor J

    Doctor J

    Dec 23, 2005
    Grease
    Some people don't like change and Fender likes to be paid. Just look at brands who look beyond the 1960's. Had ergonomics even been invented in 1966? :bag:
     
  8. bongomania

    bongomania Gold Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Oct 17, 2005
    PDX, OR
    Disclosures:
    owner, OVNIFX and OVNILabs
    I agree, and I always add an extension piece to the top horn to make it longer. I think it is not done much because people are so acclimated to the basic Fender shape, that anything else seems wrong. This is true even of more modern designs, ones that people will doubtless clamor are "not like Fenders at all"--but they almost all have the same basic top and bottom horn proportions.
     
  9. Jazz Ad

    Jazz Ad Mi la ré sol Gold Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Neck dive is minimal on Fenders. Now bring a Thunderbird or Gibson EB and we can talk.
     
  10. About the only time I've played Fenders with neck dive were on some of the old imports that used light basswood type bodies and very dense maple necks and heavy tuners.
     
  11. Kmonk

    Kmonk

    Oct 18, 2012
    South Shore, Massachusetts
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    Endorsing Artist: Fender, Spector, Ampeg, Curt Mangan Strings
    If anything, a longer top horn would make the bass more likely to have neck dive since there would be even more weight toward the neck side of the bass.
     
  12. bongomania

    bongomania Gold Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Oct 17, 2005
    PDX, OR
    Disclosures:
    owner, OVNIFX and OVNILabs
    No, the reality is not like that. The weight is still far back toward the center enough that it absolutely does not tip the neck down. Plus the repositioning of the strap button means the balance point shifts quite a bit, in a helpful direction (headstock upward).
     
  13. JTE

    JTE Supporting Member

    Mar 12, 2008
    Central Illinois, USA
    Nope. It would move the strap closer to the headstock and move the center of gravity away from the head.
     
  14. Maxdusty

    Maxdusty

    Mar 9, 2012
    Michigan USA
    Some do... check out a Cort Curbow.
     
  15. Basshappi

    Basshappi

    Feb 12, 2007
    Tucson,AZ
    ?????

    I have more Fenders than a Ford dealership and not a single one of them are neck heavy.
    I could see where that might be the case with a Jaguar style bass with its short upper horn (I've never had one), but Jazz and Precisions have always balanced perfectly for me.
     
  16. Right. Balance is achieved by having the Center of Gravity of the bass centered between the strap attachment points. If the bass has neck dive, the CoG is closer to the horn attachment point than the bottom of the body. So, what you want to do is move the horn attachment point further from the CoG: IOW's, make the horn longer.

    The other option is to move the CoG, such as using lighter tuners, which moves the CoG further from the horn attachment point.
     
  17. Kmonk

    Kmonk

    Oct 18, 2012
    South Shore, Massachusetts
    Disclosures:
    Endorsing Artist: Fender, Spector, Ampeg, Curt Mangan Strings
    I have owned basses with longer top horns which had more neck dive than shorter ones. There is more weight to the neck side. I see what your saying but the fact that the strap button is further away from the body of the bass is offset by the additional weight.
     
  18. bongomania

    bongomania Gold Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Oct 17, 2005
    PDX, OR
    Disclosures:
    owner, OVNIFX and OVNILabs
    People have different ideas about what constitutes "neck dive" or "neck heavy". I like the neck to point well above horizontal if the bass is just hanging on me by the strap, no hands.

    I think some people here figure as long as the neck doesn't slam down into the floor, it doesn't have neck dive.
     
  19. bongomania

    bongomania Gold Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Oct 17, 2005
    PDX, OR
    Disclosures:
    owner, OVNIFX and OVNILabs
    That is only possible if the body was extremely, unusually light.
     
  20. hover

    hover

    Oct 4, 2008
    I have no problem with neck dive, nor shoulder pain as I use wide straps. Nuttin but P's and J's here.
     



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