Excuse my rant in advance, but... I'm seeing huge holes in the basic skill set of a lion's share of young jazz bassists these days. Sorry; it hurts but it's true. I've had students come to me a month before college auditions, shocked to find out that they needed to play a sonata (like a classical player should be doing by second year) for entrance to a HUGE number of conservatories, even for jazz departments... (After a year or more beating them over the head about the necessity of shedding bow skills...) I rarely see a college (or post college) jazz bassist who can play all 12 major arpeggios consistently in tune in the lower register, much less across 2 octaves. Somehow, smidging, sliding, and wiggling your way into notes became acceptable. In my book, this stuff is an artistic choice and should NEVER be the default method of playing a note in tune. I rarely see guys bother to get the thing accurately in tune before starting the gig/tune. Electronic tuners are cheap and miraculous. You can even put one on your phone for free. Big surprise- I've also seen professional bassists go to schools like Juilliard for post-programs, and be forced by Ron Carter himself to fix bad habits using... wait for it... Simandl. How stink is that? Go have the honor of studying with Ron and spend a year or more working out of Simandl? Clearly there's a problem here. I ain't just ranting for rant's sake here. Lots of kids use this board as a resource, and lots of excellent teachers do the same. Somehow, pedagogy is severely failing a generation of young jazz bassists, and in my not so humble opinion, the instrument deserves better. We need to suck it up and force jazz players to stand up to the same basic standards as classical players... otherwise college is going to be an arduous task for them, if they can even get in. Never mind the real world, where a solid foundation is a *given* for survival in any big market. I've never seen competent arco work hurt a guy's jazz playing. I've very rarely heard excellent intonation across the board from a guy without it. Also, being able to play with the bow can open amazing work opportunities to guys. Wanna play Broadway shows? You're gonna need the bow. End rant- jazz players should do MORE than classical players, never LESS. There are no shortcuts to competency in this music. It may not initially be fun playing scales with the bow, but putting it off makes it harder and harder to fix bad habits each consecutive year.