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10" vs 12" & 15" speakers

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Lex84, Feb 3, 2016.


  1. Lex84

    Lex84

    Feb 3, 2016
    Hey Ive been wondering this for a while and signed up here just to ask..

    Ive owned both versions of the Ampeg BA115 the older one and the NEW V2 and love it think its great for practice and small bar/ club gigs. Ive been wanting to upgrade to something a little bigger since my band is loud as hell and we are playing some larger venues.

    My understanding was always that larger speakers = more bass. Hence why car stereo speakers, subs. PA club speakers typically go with 10 /12 or 15 " speakers to thump out the low end.

    Now ive heard from other bass players that the 4x10" cabinet is the way to go, even over a 1x15" or 2x15" cabs

    So my question is - Is there a logic to this ?
    Wouldnt bigger speakers produce louder clearer bass? and following that, why dont bass cab manufacturers generally make 4x12" cabs for bass?
    I know a select few do but overall the industry standard Ampeg, G&K, Eden, is 4x10"
     
  2. cfsporn

    cfsporn

    Aug 20, 2011
    New York City
    Repeat after me:
    The only thing a speaker's size tells you is the size of the speaker.


    Now that we got that out of the way, if you want more volume, my first piece of advice is to ditch the combo and go to an amp/cab setup. Since you like Ampeg, I'd recommend the PF800 and two SVT115HEs.
     
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  3. B-string

    B-string Supporting Member

    You are asking for a simple answer to a complex question. The answer fills books and can lead to lifelong studies as variables evolve.
    There is also more than just a deep sound to be considered. The design of the speaker, pick a size any size, and the "box" that is design for it (or not designed) determine how deep, loud and how well the full range of sound is projected from the system (speaker(s) and box make a system).
     
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  4. If you are not familiar with Acme cabs or Phil Jones cabs, a little research will dispel your incorrect understanding.
     
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  5. MrLenny1

    MrLenny1

    Jan 17, 2009
    New England
    What your ears will like will be a process of owning and elimination eventually.
    I like 10" inch speakers, some guys love 15" etc...
    Personal favorite is a 4x10" cab.
     
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  6. Matt Dean

    Matt Dean Supporting Member

    Jan 2, 2007
    SF (North) Bay Area
    I'm going against convention and rocking a Subway 112/115 stack. As has been stated above, speaker design is a rich science.
     
  7. Noooooooooo! *head explodes*

    ;)

    OP - this topics comes up, oh, say hourly, so you can probably find some discussions on it. Think of speaker size as the total speaker area (pi x r^2) by the cone displacement and that will begin to cover some of what is generally mis-information about needing big speakers for more bass. But it goes well beyond just speaker size, and cab tuning.

    Why are 4x10's popular? Probably because you get a whole bunch of speakers in a "compact" packaging. The same size cabinet would hold only 2x12. But some people use a 2x12 bc of how a manufacturer made a cabinet and how it sounds through a sonic range of a bass guitar. You get in to preferences once you start comparing one good cab vs another.
     
  8. B-string

    B-string Supporting Member

    "Displacement" also takes the travel of the cone, a large two dimensional area can be offset by a smaller two dimensional area IF the distance the smaller cone can travel is greater in proportion. Hey OP, hows your head now :D.
     
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  9. Marko 1

    Marko 1 Supporting Member

    Mar 9, 2009
    N.E. Ohio
    I'm presently into a 2x15 just 'cause I like the tuning of the particular cab and the tone I get from it.

    I also like that they're (almost) verically aligned in the cab, thinking maybe better dispersion than my 410s, and more ballsy than my 2x12.
     
  10. Not sure about the OP but mine is about to explode! I use 15's. If an amp had 10's and it sounded good I'd use that too. I don't like to overthink it. I'm kind of a KISS principle guy! Same with amps. Old days some amps had volume, treble, bass and sometimes midrange. I was good to go!
     
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  11. primusfan1989

    primusfan1989

    Jan 17, 2005
    new jersey
    Id say its a preference thing. Used to use 4x10 exclusively, Now I use a 2x12 (epifani) and I've never been happier and haven't had a gig where it wasn't cutting the mustard and I dread using a 4x10. I think the quality of the components matter more, for example: I have a 1x15 cab with an old EV that blows away a lot of the lower end 4x10s. Ive also used a eden 4x10 that seem to kick the crap out of most things i put it up against (still liked the epi 2x12 more)
     
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