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1200 WATTS - WHY ?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by 57pbass, May 26, 2019.

  1. JimChjones


    Aug 6, 2017
    SE England
    I dunno, maybe I'm out of touch, but is the stage side representative of anything except what it takes for the band to play well?
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  2. baxter_x


    Nov 27, 2013
    My experience from stage side has never been really good. To me it sounds confused because of the mix between the amps and the facade.
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  3. BurningSkies

    BurningSkies CRAZY BALDHEAD Supporting Member

    Feb 20, 2005
    Syracuse NY
    Endorsing artist: Dingwall Guitars
    I guess if you're 'side stage' next to the Leslie, you'll hear that pretty fine but probably won't hear much other stuff. In all honesty, the last time we hauled out the B3 and Leslie, we put the speaker in a specially designed isolation booth on a different floor and had about 8 different mic options to choose from.

    While I agree that a good ol' B3/Leslie is a wonderful thing, most live players are using sims that are pretty effing close...besides that saves stage space for a real clav, tube amp and wah pedal. ;)
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  4. Arthur U. Poon

    Arthur U. Poon

    Jan 30, 2004
    SLC, Utah -USA-
    Endorsing Artist: Mike Lull Custom Basses
    Eons ago I played with a keyboardist who had a B3/Leslie. Just for kicks we plugged my Rickenbacker 4001 into the Leslie one night, what a hoot! He played through his then relatively new Yamaha CS80 while I roared away through the Leslie. Ah, youth!
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  5. ThisBass


    Aug 29, 2012
    Sounds like as if a Steinway grand piano or a violine was a way more easy job vers Hammond Lesly sound to be miced stage sound and FOH ???

    edit, btw the last time I listended to classical piano music I walked from left to the right front of the stage and listened to the difference of dispersion.
    I think those (classical) instruments should be thrown into a crap press cause the dispersion really sucks off axis.
    [sarcasm kind rant off]
    Last edited: Jun 9, 2019
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  6. Arthur U. Poon

    Arthur U. Poon

    Jan 30, 2004
    SLC, Utah -USA-
    Endorsing Artist: Mike Lull Custom Basses
    I've definitely noticed the same thing. And I don't like the sound of a solid state amp being pushed hard.

    Before I bought my Aguilar TH500, I used my rack setup (Demeter HBP-1/Crest CA9) for all of my gigs. If it was a small room or a low volume casino gig, I plugged into my pair of Aguilar GS112's, and I paid close attention to my volume. Bigger room, I used my Bergantinos. Large room, playing Rock, I used my Mesa PH212s.

    The CA9 has always provided me with the feeling that it's just easily cruising along, with plenty of power on tap. I don't have to play hard to hear myself, which is easier on my hands during a long gig.
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  7. ThisBass


    Aug 29, 2012
    Back in the day there was a Mesa Boogie 2x100 watt stereo tube power amp which you might easily mismatch with SS at overload range.
    Its quite impressing to have a tube device on the bench that behaves much more like SS regarding THD numbers.
    As usual it all depends.

    btw there are different kinds of "saturation" possible once an amplifer is pushed hard.
    Which kind of available possibilities do you like best?
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  8. Bass Man Stan

    Bass Man Stan

    Mar 29, 2019
    You're right the digital rotary speaker effect sounds just like a live Leslie.
  9. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Ampeg Amps, EMG Pickups
    Depends on the band. Get a good band whose goal it is to sound balanced onstage and it can be very life affirming. Get a band whose goal is everything louder than everything else and it can be soul crushing to hear them from the stage side. Except for Motorhead.
  10. agedhorse

    agedhorse Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 12, 2006
    Davis, CA (USA)
    Development Engineer-Mesa, Product Support-Genz Benz
    Correct, there are well known design techniques that can be used to linearize even somewhat stubborn tube circuits. Executed well, the results can be impressive but done poorly (or to try to fix a poor design) can sound really bad, especially when overdriven.
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  11. Arthur U. Poon

    Arthur U. Poon

    Jan 30, 2004
    SLC, Utah -USA-
    Endorsing Artist: Mike Lull Custom Basses
    Back in those days, I used a very clean tone, no outboard effects to speak of.

    I'm now running a GED-2112 in my rack instead of my Demeter HBP-1, and I'm very new to using a distorted bass tone. But the GED also has it's "Deep" channel, and I'm running both channels simultaneously into separate cabinets. So far, I'm not running the distortion from my "Drive" channel at a super high level. I'm still figuring out the GED, and this is the first Sansamp product I've used. It's "Driven" tone is pleasing to my ears at the settings I'm using at this point. But my distortion is coming from my preamp, I'm not clipping my CA9.

    GK's RB Series amps could produce a bit of "Drive" and that also sounded good to me.

    But many years back I tried a friend's Tube Screamer in front of my then amp, and I wasn't happy with it. It was too over the top for my taste.
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  12. <I'm not clipping my CA9>

    I'm glad for that, or I wouldn't be able to sleep here in Vegas!

    CA9 = A real man's bass amp!
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  13. Happy Camper

    Happy Camper

    Feb 11, 2019
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