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16th note funk, who invented it?

Discussion in 'Technique [BG]' started by Pedullist, Oct 21, 2017.

  1. Pedullist


    Oct 31, 2016
    I've always thought Jaco more or less invented syncopated 16th note (or 8th triplets) funk, but if you listen to 70's Bootsy (James Brown) and 70's Tower Of Power you'll hear that type of playing a lot too. In my ear it sounds a bit like fast James Jamerson (with a bit of walking bass), and all chromatic runs seem to have originated from gospel music.

    Is there a clear originator of that particular style, or is it something that evolved over many players?
  2. Luckydog


    Dec 25, 1999
    If its same technique I'm thinking of, Rocco Prestia is a star with it and helped shape the sound of finger funk. Don't know if he's the actual "inventor", but he sure helped make it popular.
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  3. JimK


    Dec 12, 1999
    Have you heard "Darling Dear"? It's a Jamerson track from the Jackson 5's Third Album & is also in the SITSOM book. The album is from 1970.
    Doubletime that bassline & it sounds like a Jaco tune.

    Paul Jackson is an early syncopated Funk guy...Bootsy & George Porter, too.
    Upright players like Jimmy Blanton...he's the man!
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  4. bearhart74

    bearhart74 Supporting Member

    Feb 26, 2009
    I don't think you can actually nail down who started it. I'm sure you'll find 16th note phrases in any music from any era..
    James Brown started the funk so check pre Bootsy guys Bernard Odum and Fred Thomas..
    Rocco definitely made it a staple of his style.. so did Bobby Vega
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  5. Rocco was playing that style on TOP albums well before Jaco released his first album.
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  6. MrLenny1


    Jan 17, 2009
    Rocco sure did make it hip with What is Hip.
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  7. JimK


    Dec 12, 1999
    True. Though Jaco was gigging pretty hard pre-debut album.
    Early recordings with Tommy Strand, the C.C. Riders, etc. It's there.
    And Jaco mentioned a local FL club bassist that he "stole" from. Carlos Garcia?
  8. Correct. But obviously Jaco's gigging work wasn't widely disseminated like recordings.

    And of course Rocco was gigging prior to TOP's first release.
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  9. Pedullist


    Oct 31, 2016
    I feel a bit ashamed but I've never heard of Bobby Vega (I was brought up with classical and balkan music only, had to figure out all of rock and jazz history by myself, and heard CSNY for the first time when I was 31 haha...I'm 43 now). I'll check it out. Those early Jaco tracks are cool.

  10. Pedullist


    Oct 31, 2016
    I just had to try it: Fast Darling Dear

  11. JTE

    JTE Supporting Member

    Mar 12, 2008
    Central Illinois, USA
    Jaco credited Jerry Jemmott, assorted James Brown bassists, and Roco for influencing him on that aspect
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  12. JimK


    Dec 12, 1999
    You're killing me, man.
    I sped it up myself, backed only by my drum machine...no chipmonks chirping in my ear.

  13. Pedullist


    Oct 31, 2016
    The pitch hasn't changed
  14. Various Africans, Cubans, West Indians, etc... It wasn't "invented" in the United States by anyone. Just carried forward and copied.
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  15. Pedullist


    Oct 31, 2016
    And Bach
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  16. Hard to say... Placing 16 notes in a bar is not "an invention" actually...

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