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1977 Precision serial number authenticity

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by Steve Bergeron, Jul 21, 2019.


  1. See included pictures,

    I'd like to know your opinion about the authenticity of that Precision Bass serial number. I found the same on a strat, and I wonder if Fender could have used the same serials twice. The strat picture is kind of blurry, but it's the same SN.

    Thanks

    Steve
    pbass.
    strat.
     
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  2. Koshchei

    Koshchei

    Mar 17, 2019
    Peterborough, ON
    Even if it was real (which it isn't), it's for 1978, not '77. I guess the question here is "Why on earth is anybody making fake 1970s Fenders", since they're pretty much universally awful.
     
  3. Volker Kirstein

    Volker Kirstein Supporting Member

    Invalid SN, as far as I can tell.

    I'm sure you found that out already.

    EDIT: I found Fender decals with SNs on eBay.
    View attachment 3483749
     
    Last edited: Jul 21, 2019
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  4. The Bass Clef

    The Bass Clef “the brian” Gold Supporting Member

    Nov 17, 2010
    Southern California
    This post is universally awful.
     
  5. Koshchei

    Koshchei

    Mar 17, 2019
    Peterborough, ON
    With a wit like that, you must be a devil with the ladies.
     
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  6. The Bass Clef

    The Bass Clef “the brian” Gold Supporting Member

    Nov 17, 2010
    Southern California
    This post is also universally awful. Don't quit your day job for comedy.
     
  7. arbiterusa

    arbiterusa

    Sep 24, 2015
    San Diego, CA
    Decal is very fake.
     
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  8. Koshchei

    Koshchei

    Mar 17, 2019
    Peterborough, ON
    9/8 - Repetition legitimizes.
     
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  9. Checked on three different sites. Two including Fender's site state it's a invalid number. One says: 1977 or early 1978 - or (2005-2006 Made in Japan). Doesn't make any sense that it is on two different guitars- unless you happened to find two different fakes. Oh and don't mind the trolls. They'll move on if they don't get fed.
     
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  10. I had a '76, decal is pretty much identical, haven't seen the '77 or '78 other one in person, more pictures are coming. Hard to say with that lo resolution picture.

    I should have a picture from under the pickguard, chances are there is a sticker matching or not the sn. I've seen some with a sn sticker in the neck pocket as well, if everything matches, I'm pretty sure it's gonna be genuine.
     
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  11. Koshchei

    Koshchei

    Mar 17, 2019
    Peterborough, ON
    From 1977 onwards, Fender serial numbers work sort of like this (though they sometimes used previous year serials when they produced more decals than guitars):
    1) S = seventies, E = eighties, N = nineties, etc.
    2) Year of production - S8 = December 1977 to 1978.
    3) ##### or ######. I forget the ranges, but I got the same result on various serial number checkers. Both of those instruments have fake serial numbers.
     
  12. Do you know where I can find these ranges for future use?
     
  13. Here is what I found: nothing tells me the serial number is invalid.

    Your guitar was made at the
    Fullerton Plant (Fender - CBS Era), USA
    in 1977 - 1978
    Production Number: 98658
     
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  14. Koshchei

    Koshchei

    Mar 17, 2019
    Peterborough, ON
    It's in a book on my shelf somewhere, but this one looks kosher:
    How to Date your Fender Guitar by Serial Number - Guitar Repair Bench

    Note that the numbers DO fall within the stated range, but Fender is also aware of what their actual production numbers are, so I'd give them privilege over a website. If in any doubt though, I'd call Fender directly. I doubt that the instrument is being sold for throw-away money, so a little due diligence would definitely go a long way, particularly when you're shopping for a "vintage" instrument.
     
  15. Thanks that's a good advice, I made some research for a 76' some time ago, and the Fender guy told me it seemed legit, but i wasn't able to confirm, he told me that serials in the 70 were a mess and some paperwork was lost and unavailable. It turned out that serial was fake.
     
  16. Koshchei

    Koshchei

    Mar 17, 2019
    Peterborough, ON
    I guess that answers the question about why to fake 1970s Fenders.
     
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  17. wraub

    wraub

    Apr 9, 2004
    ennui, az
    previated devert
    1. All broad assumptions can be broadly dismissed.

    2. People fake things that are perceived to have value. ;)


     
  18. 74hc

    74hc

    Nov 19, 2015
    Sunny California
    The 2nd photo is definitely a faked precision. A very poor one at that. I feel sorry for the bloke who has to play that. Anorexia strings, and all.
     
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  19. Koshchei

    Koshchei

    Mar 17, 2019
    Peterborough, ON
    1. The 1970s were a dark patch for both Fender (Geddy's 1973 Jazz and a few other good ones notwithstanding) and Gibson, which is why they both nearly went belly-up in the early 1980s. I'm not sure when this turnaround in perception happened, but through the 1980s and 1990s, you couldn't give away a CBS Fender (and you'd take a bath on a Norlin Gibson). While there were some good ones, for the most part they were heavy, unstable, and sounded terrible compared to the pre- and post-CBS instruments.
    2. Especially where poor record keeping gives them cover.
     
  20. Koshchei

    Koshchei

    Mar 17, 2019
    Peterborough, ON
    Yeah - it even says Stratocaster on it. How sloppy do you have to be?
     
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