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1x12 epifani or 2x10 xlt?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by B String, Jan 19, 2004.


  1. B String

    B String Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2002
    Los Angeles
    Been using an Eden 210 xlt. Thinking of
    going to a pair of 1x12 epifani's. Other
    than more volume, what can I expect the
    difference in sound to be? More punch or
    less? More mids or less? Or what??
     
  2. jokerjkny

    jokerjkny

    Jan 19, 2002
    NY / NJ / PA
    waaay smoother low mids, BIGGER low end. sweeter high end. wont quite be as punchie. pretty standard.
     
  3. lo-freq

    lo-freq aka UFO

    Jan 19, 2003
    The Republic of Texas
    tombowlus is pretty happy with the Epifani T112 + T110 combination.

    If you do a search and use his name, you'll find some interesting posts.
     
  4. B String

    B String Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2002
    Los Angeles
    I'm afraid if I use a 12, 10 speaker combo,
    I won't have enough "uumph" for bigger gigs.
    I do like the quickness of 10's but epifani
    really touts the 12 box as being great for
    upright bass too. I can't hear them so I'm
    going by instinct. I need at least as much
    sound as I get from the 210 xlt. For smaller
    gigs, I've been using a goliath jr. Its going
    too, as is my old bag end 400 watt ev 1x15.
     
  5. Jason Carota

    Jason Carota Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 1, 2002
    Lowell, MA
    I agree.

    However, don't worry about the bigger low end (especially with two 112s) covering up other frequency ranges. I use two 112s myself and find them to have excellent frequency response all around.
     
  6. jokerjkny

    jokerjkny

    Jan 19, 2002
    NY / NJ / PA
    the 1x12 will rock for upright stuff, and easily replace the 1x15 you're using. the 1x12 will much tighter & punchier sounding.

    vs. the aguilar 1x12 pair, the epi's sound waaaay more open and airy sounding. not nearly as dark.
     
  7. g4string

    g4string Supporting Member

    Sep 19, 2002
    Melissa, TX
    I sold my Goliath JR and SOB. It was replaced by a pair of Aguilar 112. The Aguilar 112's are more portable, smaller, lighter, and sound 10xs better than my SWR speakers ever did. And they put out more low end than the 210 and 115 stack ever did. If you ever want to compare the SWR Goliath JR to the Aggie GS112, I personally liked the sound of my Aggie GS112 over the SWR Goliath JR. Although my experience is with Aguilar 112's, I have heard many people on this board express the same kind feelings towards their Epi 112's.
     
  8. coyoteboy

    coyoteboy easy there, Ned Supporting Member

    Mar 29, 2000
    Sactomato, CA
    :ninja:
     
  9. tombowlus

    tombowlus If it sounds good, it is good Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 3, 2003
    North central Ohio
    Editor-in-Chief, Bass Gear Magazine
    I find that the T-110UL is a far better cab for upright than the T-112, and the T-112 isn't bad for upright. It just has more of a tendency to feedback on my Kay (which seems to have a wolf tone on the low C). Plus, I find the T-110UL to be more articulate. Although, if you're going primarily for a good solid "thud" on each note, my Kay through a T-112 (or two) will certainly deliver! To be honest, though, for upright, I am more of an EA guy.

    Volume-wise, I will agree that a T-112/T-110UL does not move enough air for loudish rock gigs. It will handle more moderate volume rock gigs, though, and for jazz, acoustic, or other sane volume jams, it is more than enough. I find the T-112/T-110UL to be much more balanced an articulate than two T-112's. But then again, I really like to hear the detail in all of my notes. However, to counteract that lack of air movement (and pretty much because I found a screaming deal on a used one), I picked up a second T-112. If you amp can push it, two T-112's AND a T-110UL make for a very nice rig!

    FWIW, I have also combined older EA VL-series cabs and Epifani cabs to very good effect. The efficiency really isn't that different, and the strong mids of the EA cabs with the powerful lows and sweet highs of Epifani is very nice, indeed.

    Later, Tom.
     
  10. B String

    B String Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2002
    Los Angeles
    Hey Tombowlus.
    Nice to see your words again.
    I'm looking to sell all my old stuff and
    update my boxes. I like the size and weight of
    the epifani stuff. Also the guys there are great.
    I'm into a modern sound on upright. Articulate
    and punchy, but for electric gigs i want a full
    punchy sound too. Is the only way here to get
    three boxes? (I'll have to sell my dog) It's
    tough to make a move. Hey coyote boy.. How
    much for the epi 12's????
     
  11. tombowlus

    tombowlus If it sounds good, it is good Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 3, 2003
    North central Ohio
    Editor-in-Chief, Bass Gear Magazine
    Lots of guys like the sound of two T-112's, and it is nice. However, I prefer the sound of a T-112/T-110UL. For many gigs, those two cabs would be enough. But if you have to compete with two half stacks and a loud drummer, the 1x12/1x10 combo doesn't move enough air. The two T-112's can be pushed a good bit harder, but I miss the upper midrange articulation of the T-110UL, which is why I end up using all three in some situations.

    Tom.
     
  12. B String

    B String Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2002
    Los Angeles
    Not really playing marshall stack type
    music. More r&b, pop-jazz, funk. or...
    upright and pop jazz (slap and fngers)
    Sometimes outside gigs. My amp won't go
    down to 2ohms so i get 2 boxes at a time.
    Does the 1x10 get loud enough on its own
    for upright bass? Thanks again for the opinions.
     
  13. tombowlus

    tombowlus If it sounds good, it is good Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 3, 2003
    North central Ohio
    Editor-in-Chief, Bass Gear Magazine
    The T-110UL on upright with my Walkabout is plenty of volume, if the other musicians are unamplified (unless you have a large horn section). From what you describe, I would think that the T-112/T-110UL could handle your inside gigs, but I have reservations about using this combo at outdoor gigs if the crowd is going to be any larger than 50 or so people.

    Tom.
     
  14. B String

    B String Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2002
    Los Angeles
    I'll tell ya. Money is not the root of all
    evil. I think i need two single 12's and one
    single 10. Now i really have to sell the dog!
    I think the 12's will work well with a gk
    1001 rbII.
     
  15. tombowlus

    tombowlus If it sounds good, it is good Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 3, 2003
    North central Ohio
    Editor-in-Chief, Bass Gear Magazine
    Now yer talkin'!