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Discussion in 'General Instruction [BG]' started by afromoose, Apr 22, 2009.


  1. afromoose

    afromoose Guest

    Does anybody know a good resource for ii-V-I progressions, examples of different types and discussion etc?

    Thanks
     
  2. LowBSix

    LowBSix Commercial User

    Mar 25, 2008
    818 ~ 805 ~ L.A.
    Endorsing Artist: GHS Strings
    Let's use the key of C
    II - Dm7
    V = G7
    I = Cma7...

    Transpose and do the same for all keys...
    Does that make sense?
     
  3. afromoose

    afromoose Guest

    Yeah that makes sense sure, but I was thinking about one's involving half diminished etc, 7+9 and stuff like that. I thought there were more types than the basic ii7, V7, I7.

    Like for example minor key 251s
     
  4. LowBSix

    LowBSix Commercial User

    Mar 25, 2008
    818 ~ 805 ~ L.A.
    Endorsing Artist: GHS Strings
    If you write out a C scale and then add the 3rd and then the 5th and then the 7th, you'll see how to put it together...

    It's an involved learning process, which takes time and application of to really understand it...

    Look for Dick Grove Theory & Harmony Books and my former instructor from Dick Grove is a Joel Di Bartolo from Arizona State... just 'google' his name and he's written some great books!!!
     
  5. Deacon_Blues

    Deacon_Blues

    Feb 11, 2007
    Finland
  6. Some already mentioned Aebersold, so my work here is done :D
     
  7. ac1710

    ac1710

    May 12, 2008
    If you want to go cheesy (and I'm talking baroque cheese :) ) remember that the classic ii - v - i is a ii7b - v - 1

    The b refers to a first inversion so in the key of C....

    D7/f*- (ii7b)
    G - (v)
    C - (1)

    I would stress that the ii-v-i progression often takes place at the end of a progression as some kind of turnaround or ending. Therefore the bass players role is absolutely critical and must be solid as a rock. There is very little need to try something clever here as this progression is usually crucial to the structure of a piece.

    Sure if your soloing then thats a different matter...
     
  8. afromoose

    afromoose Guest

    Yeah this is all cool - I understand what a basic ii V I is, and why it's used as a final cadence. I'm talking more about pieces where there's long successions of ii V Is, and in particular, ones with fruity harmonies.

    A good example would be that type of 2 5 1 where you have to use melodic minor parent to make it work, that came up in the melodic minor mode thread. I thought there might be a list of ii V I chord progressions with more complex harmonies (not just the basic one for diatonic harmony in a major key).
     
  9. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member In Memoriam


    There are Major and Minor .....:eyebrow:
     
  10. afromoose

    afromoose Guest

    Yeah, that's what I thought, for starters.
     
  11. Deacon_Blues

    Deacon_Blues

    Feb 11, 2007
    Finland
    For something non-jazzy, listen to the song "we're all alone" by for instance Rita Coolidge or Boz Scaggs. There's a few 2-5-1's in it to check out. Here's Rita's version:
     
  12. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member In Memoriam

    But in a Minor version - the I chord is a minor and the ii chord is Minor with b5 - different to a Major ii-V-I ! :eyebrow:
     
  13. afromoose

    afromoose Guest

    Yeah major, minor, any others?
     
  14. Treybass

    Treybass

    Mar 2, 2008
    Norfolk, VA
    playjazznow.com is an excellent resource. download in every key, and transpose starting with the key of Bb, then Eb, and all the way around the circle of fifths.

    in the key of Bb, the progression goes like this...

    II - Cm7
    V - F7
    I - Bbmaj
    VI - G7b9 (the 6th is used to go back to Cm7)
     
  15. ugly_bassplayer

    ugly_bassplayer Supporting Member

    Jan 21, 2009
    Québec
    Charlie Parker Omnibook.
    It will take you a lifetime to get threw that thing.
     
  16. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member In Memoriam

    Major or Minor ....:eyebrow:

    People seem to be ignoring this choice!! :confused:
     
  17. middlebit

    middlebit

    Sep 10, 2005
    København
    I think that unless otherwise stated, the given key is Major. That seems to be consistent with everything I've read and heard about it, anyway.
     
  18. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member In Memoriam

    But you are missing my point - in that these are a possibility that everybody seems to be ignoring!!

    So - the original question was about examples of different types!
     
  19. middlebit

    middlebit

    Sep 10, 2005
    København
    That was not clear from your last post, including Treybass' quote. Sorry. But didn't you already point out that there are such a thing as minor ii-V-i's?
     
  20. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member In Memoriam

    I was just pointing out that in this thread people are talking about keys as if there is no such thing as major and minor - that just saying Bb, totally defines what you are talking about - when it is only half the story.
     

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