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2002 Fender mexican Standard Jazz or today's Squier VM/CV?

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by L-Scarlett, Oct 7, 2019.

  1. L-Scarlett


    Oct 7, 2019

    I'd like to get myself a decent jazz bass without spending too much and i see that the Squier Vintage Modified and Classic Vibe have a good reputation, they cost around 400€ in my country. On the other hand, i've found a second hand mexican Fender Standard from 2002 for about 500.

    The Fender seems like the better deal, however entry level equipments got a huge boost in quality in the past decades and i'm wondering if an old-school mid-range instrument from 2002 really is a better deal than a recent entry level? I know i should try them and compare but it's a total of 5 hours car ride for the second hand, which wont be cheap in gas, it would really be a waste to do the drive and not get it.

    Thanks for your advices
  2. jd56hawk


    Sep 12, 2011
    The Garden State
    Classic Vibe.
    If you're really lucky, you might find one in Inca Silver or the James Johnston LPB model.
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  3. L-Scarlett


    Oct 7, 2019
    Thanks for your feedback. Anyone else?

    I was going for a Vintage Modified initially but can't seem to find a 5 strings in proximity.
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  4. bass40hz

    bass40hz Cigar smoker, scotch drinker, American Patriot Supporting Member

    Aug 13, 2014
    Sussex County, NJ
    no endorsements yet...Are you listening Spector, DR, GK, Line6?
    The Fender is already ~18 years old, nothing special about it unless you want the Fender logo on your bass. No one can say for sure, but its probably unlikely an '02 Mexican Fender will be a collectible in the immediate future. Get the one that appeals most to you, if you can play them, you will know which one is right for you.
    Rock on.
  5. L-Scarlett


    Oct 7, 2019
    No, i'm going for the price/quality ratio, really couldn't care less about the logo ;)
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  6. garp


    Feb 7, 2009
    Connecticut USA
    Another vote for the Classic Vibe. And I say that as the owner of a really terrific '00 MIM Standard Jazz and an amazing '07 MIM Deluxe Active Jazz.

    To your point, the five-hour drive to check out a used MIM Standard Jazz would come with inherent risks, whereas a new Squier – hopefully backed by Fender's standard limited warranty in your country – bought locally would (almost) guarantee you a great Jazz with substantially less risk.

    Best wishes whichever way you decide.
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  7. L-Scarlett


    Oct 7, 2019
    Well... that plus the Fender one is really really ugly, but i can live with that if the quality is worth it XD

    But you have a point, a 18 years old instrument might need some repairs, the frets must be in a sorry state if it was played a lot.
  8. tjh


    Mar 22, 2006
    '02 model year was a transition period for MIM Standards … production for the year actually began July of '01 with a change in all electronics and body wood from previous era … if it has an MZ2xxxx serial # it should be post transition (unless a parts bass neck/body) …

    Squier Vintage Modifieds ('07+) and Classic Vibes ('08+) used can be very good buys $$ wise also …
  9. L-Scarlett


    Oct 7, 2019
    I was looking for a second hand VM or CV initially but it's hard to find in 5 strings without spending half the bass price in gas :oops:)
  10. bigtone23


    Dec 10, 2014
    Denver, CO
    If it were a MIM from the last 8 years or so, I'd say it's more of a contender. I played a new CV 70s Jazz the other day and was very impressed.
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  11. L-Scarlett


    Oct 7, 2019
    Thanks, that's helpfull. My local dealer suggested a Fender Player mexican, however i think the price will be a bit too much in 5 strings.
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  12. devnulljp

    devnulljp Supporting Member

    Oct 13, 2009
    BC, Canada
    Admin on the D*A*M Forum
    I'd buy the Squire.
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  13. Bassmike62

    Bassmike62 Punch'n Ooomph Provider Supporting Member

    I own 2 Squier Jazzes, a VM 70s natural finish and a VM77 amber and for the price, these basses are exceptionnal in make, sound and playability. The VM70s in particular could easily be a #1 horse in any stable. I used it for a couple of gigs and its performance was flawless. She is on the heavy side and sounds accordingly.

    I have no experience with CVs.

    My experience with Fender MIMs is limited to what I tried in shops. In most cases, either the fret job left to desired or they didnt sound good to my ears or something else was wrong, so I never pulled the trigger on one. I'm sure there are good ones out there, but I haven't encountered one yet.

    Here they are, flanking my main bass. Both are modified with Hipshot KickAss bridges and D-Tuners.

    Bass - Fender and Squier Jazz.JPG
    Last edited: Oct 7, 2019
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  14. Gravedigger Dav

    Gravedigger Dav Supporting Member

    Mar 13, 2014
    Fort Worth, Texas
    Classic Vib. I have a VM and a CV. I traded a 2005 Fender standard (Mex) for something else. The CV was actually a better bass, IMHO.
  15. 39-Bassist


    Jul 7, 2010
    Endorsing Artist for: Brace Audio; Duncan Pickups; Line6, Hipshot, GHS Strings, Somnium Guitars
    CV 1st choice, VM second and MIM last.
    BUT you really need to play each one first to see how YOU like them.
    Oh and the thing about the CV is that they are very close to the original Squier SQ's (MIJ)....GREAT playing and sounding basses.
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  16. Lava

    Lava Supporting Member

    Jul 14, 2014
    El Paso, TX
    Wow, that's a tough one. 5 or 6 years ago I would've said the MIM without a doubt, but I've really come to like the Vintage Vibe and Classic Vibe Squires. Quality stuff. I'd probably lean toward the MIM, just a bit though. But that's me.
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  17. DonaldR


    Mar 26, 2012
    I bought a new Squier VM Jazz 5 in natural finish 2 years ago, was better (fit, finish, sound) than most MIM Jazz 5 I tried.
  18. DirtDog


    Jun 7, 2002
    The Deep North
    I’ve had a CV bass (Jazz) and can vouch that it’s decent quality and a good player grade instrument.

    HOWEVER - the 2002 MIM will hold its value better should you ever decide to sell it down the road.

    The new CV will be only worth half of what it is now in a few short years.

    Either one would serve you well.
  19. tlite

    tlite Supporting Member

    Aug 18, 2016
    I've owned both and find the Squier's to have better feeling necks (the VM Jaguar bass neck is soooo comfy).

    I prefer the stock pickups in Squier's also (particularly the CV/VM's) over the stock MIM pickups (MIM jazzes I've owned had more of a bright-bite while the Squiers sounded more mid focused and growly to my ear).

    The MIM will have better hardware generally speaking (most notably output jack, pots), but those also happen to be the easiest and cheapest upgrades to make.

    That said, you may want that Fender because it's a Fender- nothing wrong with that at all.

    Otherwise, +1 for Squier!
  20. I have a 2001 MIM Jazz that is a really nice. I have not owned any of the Squire J’s so I can’t compare. I don’t think you can go wrong either way, as long as it feels and sounds good to you. If money is an issue, get the Squire and save a hundred euros.

    I don’t know about basses, but I own a 2001 MIM Tele and had a Squire Tele for a short time. No comparison, The MIM was better in all aspects, but it cost 2x. Worth it IMHO.

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