210/115 or 210/210

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by fourstringbliss, Nov 6, 2005.

  1. 210/115

    30 vote(s)
  2. 210/212

    18 vote(s)
  1. fourstringbliss

    fourstringbliss Supporting Member

    Oct 5, 2003
    Puyallup, WA
    I've got a great Avatar Neo 210 and I'd like to put something under it to grab more of the low end since I'm going to string my bass BEAD. Steelsound has a 212 (which I've heard great things about and I might be able to get in an 8ohm version) and a 115 (which has a 500w Madison Executioner speaker with a 100oz. magnet!). Which do you think would be a better match with a 210?
  2. Rodent

    Rodent Supporting Member Commercial User

    Dec 20, 2004
    Upper Left Corner (Seattle)
    Player-Builder-Founder: Regenerate Guitar Works
    I run an Avatar 210 Pro with a SB112 puched by an Eden WT-800 running stereo and have no problems shaking the kidneys of all in a 300 seat room. I use this combo for most every style, 4/5/6 string fretted/fretless basses, and also with an Azola BugBassII both arco and Pizz. Depending on the song, I adjust the balance slightly between the two cabs - the Azola gets more of the 112, and a slap heavy song gets a little more of the 210.

    With the 112, the low frequencies that go out are usable frequencies that don't clog the room with unfocused sub - exactly what a 115 would get you. Sure a 115 sounds fuller when you're only 10 feet (3 meters) away from it ... but it's the sound in the room that counts.

    All the best,

  3. fourstringbliss

    fourstringbliss Supporting Member

    Oct 5, 2003
    Puyallup, WA
    Thanks! I've got a message out the someone who works for Steelsound asking about the 8ohm 212. I don't want muddy and it sounds like that's what I'd get with the 115. Thanks again!
  4. pickles

    pickles Supporting Member

    Mar 23, 2000
    Ventura, CA
    Good 1x15 cabs do not sound muddy, they sound fat and punchy. I tried a 2x12 with my 4x10 cab (both Aguilar) to add low end, and it really does not do the job as well as a 15. The 12s sound good in their own way, and offer lots of output while being fairly compact and light. I suggest you find somewhere to go demo a few cabs and see what lights your fire.

    Any of 2x12, 2x12, 1x15 will help, and they'll all sound different.
  5. fourstringbliss

    fourstringbliss Supporting Member

    Oct 5, 2003
    Puyallup, WA
    The problem is that neither of the cabs I'm looking at are really "good" cabs. I have been thinking about selling my 210 and putting the money toward a 4ohm Avatar 212, but I've been hearing good things about the Steelsound 212 which is about half the price. I could afford the SS212 to put under my 210 or I could get that 115.

    Here's the info on the 115:

    5/8" 13 ply Birch through out, internally braced for zero flex, insulated, black carpet covering. Madison Executioner 15 with 100oz. magnet, 4" copper clad aluminum voice coil and cast aluminum frame. 500 watts RMS, 1000 watts peak. $149.

    How would I know if that's going to be a punchy 15? I can't demo it 'cause I don't live anywhere near Loveland, CO.
  6. fourstringbliss

    fourstringbliss Supporting Member

    Oct 5, 2003
    Puyallup, WA
    A bit more from the description of the cab:

    As a bass cabinet, your talkin very punchy bottom end with the ability to handle anything you can throw at it.
  7. IvanMike

    IvanMike Player Characters fear me... Staff Member Supporting Member

    Nov 10, 2002
    Middletown CT, USA
    amen bro, amen.

    it's absolutley impossible for us to tell you what you'll like best. i've used just about every combination possible, and i've found something to liek about all of them. Of course, brand of cab makes a huge difference too. FWI, often adding a second 210 increases your apparent bass response.
  8. Mattski


    Jan 6, 2003
    Cleveland, OH
    I use my Avatar 210 with either a 212 or a SB112. Both the 112 and the 212 are great stand alones. This set up is pretty versital for me. I don't have much use for a 115 by itself.

    Good luck.
  9. fourstringbliss

    fourstringbliss Supporting Member

    Oct 5, 2003
    Puyallup, WA
    I might go with a 112, or sell the 210 and get an 4 ohm 212 to use as a stand alone cab. I think I'll skip the 115. Thanks for all of the help!
  10. Metal Mitch

    Metal Mitch

    Jul 14, 2003

    I have the Madison 115 cab. The 15 is good quality and not muddy, but doesn't play low either. It's a mid driver that matches up well with their 410. But as a standalone cab it doesn't cut it. Even with a 4 string you lose volume on the low notes.

    This seems to be a trend in speaker building, everybody wants low playing 10's and un-muddy 15's. So newer 15's have no bottom anymore, and 10's have no highs without a tweeter. :spit:

    My Carvin PS15C is a much better standalone driver than the Madison. EV is a sure bet. But I'll take the old Altec 418B's I smoked if I can ever find another pair.

    P.S. almost forgot...! For BEAD tuning, you're asking a lot from either of those cabs. That's 18 territory. If you really want a 115 or 212, look for a big box with lower freq response - for example the new Carvin BRX. A compact cab won't get you there. Good luck...
  11. haujobb


    Dec 16, 2004
    Definately not 18 territory, I play in AEADG and GDADG with a 2x10 right now, looking to get either a 4x10 or 6x10 instead.
  12. fourstringbliss

    fourstringbliss Supporting Member

    Oct 5, 2003
    Puyallup, WA
    Any other thoughts? The poll now has 115/210 winning out over a 212/210 combo. At this point I doubt I'll be able to do the 212/210 because the 212 I was interested in doesn't come in an 8 ohm model. So, I'll either go 115/210 or just 212. It would be an Avatar 210 Neo with a Steelsound 115 (with either the Eminence Delta 15LF or the Madison Executioner 15) or it would be the Avatar Neo 212. Personally I'm leaning toward the 212 only because it would be easier to transport one cab than two.

    What do you guys think?
  13. Ive got the Avatar 2x10 neo (300w x 2)and a Steel Sound Eminence 1x15Lf Delta cab (500w x 1), they pair up nicely, the 15 definently is not muddy, moves air, i think for the $ they are as clear and loud as youll find anywhere, with no real cabinet coloring at all, IMHO. Oh, light weight too.

  14. fourstringbliss

    fourstringbliss Supporting Member

    Oct 5, 2003
    Puyallup, WA
    That's kind of what I thought! I just might go with that because sometimes it might be nice to just use the 15. I've got my bass strung BEAD and the Neo 210 actually works pretty well by itself, but sometimes I might just want deep.

  15. fourstringbliss

    fourstringbliss Supporting Member

    Oct 5, 2003
    Puyallup, WA