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210+410=610?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by ROCKBOBMEL_old, Sep 7, 2001.

  1. Sep 7, 2001 #1
    ROCKBOBMEL_old

    ROCKBOBMEL_old Guest

    I got my new Eden D410 XLT, put the D210 XLT on top, and ran them in parallel for a 4 ohm load. They seem to be equal in speaker volume (Individual drivers compared).
    My question is will the low freq. couple for a overall lower freq response?, or will it remain the same?,or will they average?, or even lose some?.
    Any thoughts? Please translate any complicated math.Thanks.
     
  2. Sep 7, 2001 #2
    MikeyD

    MikeyD Guest

    Sep 9, 2000
    Hi, Bob,
    Yes, there should be some reinforcing effect below about 150 Hz. (say high D) if you stack the cabinets. If they are both 8-ohm cabinets, equal power will be delivered to each cabinet, which means the 4x10 will probably be a little bit louder (it is slightly more efficient than the 2x10), but the 2x10 will receive more power per driver. Furthermore, the 2x10 might sound louder than otherwise if it is on the top, because it is closer to your ears (unless you play lying down!).
    If they are wired out of phase, you will lose. If the wiring is correct, they will reinforce each other.
    - Mike
     
  3. Sep 7, 2001 #3
    Luis Fabara

    Luis Fabara

    Aug 13, 2000
    Ecuador (South America)
    Audio Pro - Ecuador
    I think that combination is even better than a 6x10"
    Because it has more volume in the boxes.
    Just look at the Goliath SR. the Goliath III has more low End, etc etc
     
  4. Sep 7, 2001 #4
    boogiebass

    boogiebass

    Aug 16, 2000
    Could be, Luis. But I dunno about your Goliath comparison. I use the Sr. and that thing is a great cab, IMO. Especially with the SWR Bass 750 cranking into it! I've never had any low-end defficiency and the thing is just about the last word in punchy.
     
  5. Sep 7, 2001 #5
    Luis Fabara

    Luis Fabara

    Aug 13, 2000
    Ecuador (South America)
    Audio Pro - Ecuador
    Im not mocking on the Sr
    In fact, it is punchier than the others.
    but Spech wise, it doenst go as LOW as the other cabs.
    The sound has a higher SPL too, but the SR has no internat chambers, so you dont get that focused lows as in the others.
     
  6. Sep 7, 2001 #6
    boogiebass

    boogiebass

    Aug 16, 2000
    Luis, mi amigo, "on-paper" numbers and specs are only part of the picture. In reality, it's how a cab behaves when being driven by an amp in a real world situation like you'd encounter on a club date, etc. that is the final authority. Have you played through the Goliath Sr. and compared it to the cabs in question here? I've played a dozen gigs or more with the Goliath Sr. and an SWR Bass 750 and I can testify that the rig has all the focused low-end you or I or anyone else can ever hope to effectively use!
     
  7. Sep 7, 2001 #7
    Luis Fabara

    Luis Fabara

    Aug 13, 2000
    Ecuador (South America)
    Audio Pro - Ecuador
    Yes I have played the Goliath SR. My uncle has one of those, being powered by a SWR Stereo 800 and a SWR IOD..
    Also with an Ampeg SVP PRO with a QSC power amp.

    It has the lows, it has punch as hell.
    And of course our ears is the final authority. But Have you tested a 4x10" + 2x10"... We are comparing that, and I definetly believe that it would have more Low frequency response..
    Punch can be decieving. For example, an Ampeg SVT810 Doesnt go below 40Hz, yet it sounds HUGE..
    Why? Overtones and punch.
    But in reality it is not reproducing the fundamentals of a Low B as an Eden D410XLT (This cab is great) or an SWR Goliath II + Goliath Jr.
    For example.
    And I still dont know why the Goliath SR. is unchambered. It should be..
    That cab is designed for Very Big Sound presure levels.