2x10" and 1x15" Vs. 4x10"

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by b-ace!, Aug 6, 2004.

  1. b-ace!


    Jul 15, 2004
    Hi, heres my situation. I'm about to buy my first setup, I've decided on the hartke 3500 head with an ashdown cab (I tried all the hartke cabs, wasn't that impressed, the ashdown gave me a deeper sound), but I can't decide whether to go for a 210 cab or a 410 cab. I know if I buy the 210 cab I won't buy the 115 for a good couple of years. So I'm wondering if 210 will be enough power for me. I'd say 70% of the time the cab will be sitting in my room being used for practicing. For the other 30% I'll be using it at gigs, but will it be powerful enough for gigs (size 200 people max)? I also wanted to know how the cab setups differ in sound.

    If anyone can give me some advice that would be great! :)

    p.s. I'm using an old aria pro 2 bass (passive) at the moment but am thinking of upgrading to a warwick rockbass fortress in a year or so. thanks for reading.
  2. b-ace!


    Jul 15, 2004
  3. unless it's a really good 410 (ie eden) it won't have enough lows to satisfy....so I would say 210/115....Listen to Ryan Stasik of Umphrey's Mcgee....he runs a 210/115 set up and it sounds fat as all get out!
  4. b-ace!


    Jul 15, 2004
    would a 210 alone be ok for gigs? (I'll get a 115 after a few years).
  5. This question can't be answered that simply. The brand of cab you choose will make a difference.

    FWIW I wouldn't want to use a 2x10 alone for a gig. I would want at least a 2x12 or a 4x10.

    Have you considered a 2x12 cab? They are great stand alone cabs.

    Again consider the brand when seeking advise on volume and tone.
  6. b-ace!


    Jul 15, 2004
    well I'm thinking of going with an ashdown MAG cab, they sound loud and deep. the guy at the shop told me a 210 would be enough for playings gigs (max 200 people). no I've never thought about a 2x12". suggestions of any good ones? I'm in the UK so no suggesting avatar :smug:
  7. Brendan


    Jun 18, 2000
    Austin, TX
    I use a 210 and a 115 right now. It can get louder than my single 410, but I suspect that's because my 410 was 8 ohms, and these are 8 ohms apiece, so they're drawing full power.
  8. Go with the 4 x 10, its better than the 2 x 10 as a stand alone cab, when you afford it get the 1 x 15" i use the same set up with Ampeg cabs and 300w tube head. 2 x 10 from Ashdown will be ok for quiet practice forget the shops comment about ok for 200 person gig ( crap ) you will blow that little cab, get the 4 x 10. There are some fine high powered small cabs, i.e Schroeder ( USA ) but most normal 2 x 10" are only good for 200w or there abouts.
  9. b-ace!


    Jul 15, 2004
    thanks everyone. I think I'm gonna go for the ashdown MAG 410 cab along. I think that will go nicely with the hartke 3500 head I'm getting aswell. now next on the list is sorting a good bass guitar to replacement my old aria pro 2 (passive). Thinking of the new warwick fortress rockbass, but I won't buy that for a year or so.

    Check it out!

  10. Jeffrey A-Bomb

    Jeffrey A-Bomb Drink Coffee & Destroy Supporting Member

    Oct 14, 2000
    Silver Spring, MD
    I've used an eden 2x10xlt elevated to chest/head level and it's easily loud enough w/ my pre/power setup. The PA is what everyone hears anyway, so all you need onstage is a monitor.
  11. b-ace!


    Jul 15, 2004
    yeah I thought about that. whether I'll be playing places with a PA, I'm pretty sure every place around here has PA. So is a 410 too much?
  12. Jeffrey A-Bomb

    Jeffrey A-Bomb Drink Coffee & Destroy Supporting Member

    Oct 14, 2000
    Silver Spring, MD
    It's not too much at all. It's all a matter of what you're willing to haul around :) I bought the eden xlt cab because I felt it was the best 2x10 on the market that's still affordable. It's 103 db sensitivity, so it's louder than most cabs. I wouldn't use an ineffecient standalone 2x10 though (like a 93db one or something).
  13. ADuck5150


    Jul 31, 2004
    Infect - I'm currently looking to pick up one of the Eden 210's myself...What is yours rated - 8ohm or 4? With the amp I have, an 8ohm wouldnt cut it as far as volume, but in the distant future if I were to add, say a 1x15, I would prefer two 8ohm cabs rather than 2 4ohms, because I'm not sure about running my amp at 2ohms. Could that Eden be easily rewired to 8ohm if needed?
  14. b-ace!


    Jul 15, 2004
    the ashdown 210 cab is rated at 98dB 1W @ 1m (200 Watts), and the 410 is rated at 101dB 1W @ 1m (350 Watts), do you think I could get away with the 210 or do you think the 410 will make alot of difference? most gigs round here only require bass players to bring their head.

    can a 200 watt 210 cab handle a 240@8 ohms watt head anyway? If not does anyone know who makes 300 watt 210 cabs?
  15. I run my Yorkville 2x10 (300watts) with my bridged SWR SW 900 (roughly 700watts) for gigs when there is PA support. It is compact, easy to carry and can handle the rock band that I play in with ease (2 guitar 1x12 combos, 1x12 organ and loud rock drummer). When there is no PA support, I bring along a Yorkville 1x15 to fill out the bottom and move more air.

    That would be my suggestion to you. A 2x10 cab should be good enough for 200 people, as long as you have the power to drive it properly (I imagine 200watts should be enough) and as long as your not playing against full Marshall stacks. Add the 1x15 when you need to (can you rent?).
  16. b-ace!


    Jul 15, 2004
    Hi, I don't know if I can rent or not, but I'm pretty sure the gigs I'll be doing will be the support so I will most likely be using someone elses cabinet with my head.

    When you say a 210 should be enough for 200 peopple as long as you have the power to drive it properly. Is it possible that I'll blow the cab easily because I will be putting 240 watts into a 200 watt cab?

    what do people think of combining the 3500 hartke head with an ashdown cab?
  17. Kurisu


    Nov 19, 2003
    Saskatoon SK
    From what I understand, 240 into a 200w cab will not harm it. They can handle a little abuse. It's when you start putting 100w into a 200w cab you will have trouble. Clipping will drive spikes of square waves into your cabs, and square waves will melt a voice coil (no time for it to cool, as it does with more natural waves). That's how I undertand it, but if you do some reading on past threads this has been talked about alot.
  18. b-ace!


    Jul 15, 2004
    really???? :eyebrow:
  19. zoran


    May 10, 2002
    No, not really :rolleyes:
  20. Subculture13

    Subculture13 Jamming Econo

    Apr 9, 2003
    Toronto, Ont. Canada
    +1 for a 2x12. If you can't get the 1x15 for a few years I think you're selling yourself short with only a 2x10. And if you're stepping up to a 4x10, I think you could cover more sonic ground with a good 2x12.