2x10 Combos advice: Peavey 210TX vs GK Backline 210 vs Hartke HA3500+210 cab

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by i9mobile, Jun 27, 2018.

  1. i9mobile

    i9mobile Luiz Junior

    Apr 7, 2018
    Campinas/SP - Brazil
    Hi Everyone, first thread here and I'm having great time reading all opinions and reviews about amps and basses.

    I hope to find help from owners and ex-owners on the amps below. Sorry for any English mistakes.

    I am a keyboard player and I have been studying and playing bass on my own for a long time, until recently I bought a Fender Mustang PJ.

    I played in 80's and 90's rock bands and hopefully soon set up a band or join one as a bass player.

    I have good technical knowledge about amplifiers, their settings and effects and I am currently looking for an amplifier to play small stages, but with the possibility of expanding easily if I need to play on larger stages.

    Below are some amps that I'm watching and would like the opinion of anyone who has ever played in any of them. I am open to other suggestions as well.

    Unfortunately the sellers are not from my city and I can not test the amplifiers before buying them, so any help is welcome.

    I've read all TalkBass threads about those amps but I like a more directed opinion based on my needs above.

    I'm toward heads/amps that includes: Compression, Graphic-EQ and aditional external cab support.

    (prices are in dollars converted from values here from Brazil - yes, music equipment here is expensive)

    ----- Portable options in 2x10
    $660 = Peavey 210TX Combo
    $710 = GK Backline 210
    $890 = Hartke HA3500 ($420) + Hartke 210XL ($470)

    There's also some bigger options I'm considering:
    ----- Options in 4x10
    $950 = Hartke HA3500 ($420) + Hartke VX410 ($530)
    $1,050 = Hartke VX3500

    PS1: All of them are used on good conditions, except for the VX3500 that is like new (almost never used).
    PS2: Peavey and GK are manufactured in the USA, Hartke in Korea. Should I be concerned about this?
    PS3: Hartke's are easy to find, there's a lot of them selling everywhere in Brazil. The Peavey 210TX and GK Backline combo are just one each.
    PS4: If you are curious about other amps/head like Carvin and Ampeg, here's a list of some local market pricing research:
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    Thanks in advance!
    Last edited: Jun 27, 2018
  2. FunkHead

    FunkHead Supporting Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    Do you own a keyboard amp?
  3. i9mobile

    i9mobile Luiz Junior

    Apr 7, 2018
    Campinas/SP - Brazil
    Not anymore... I've sold all my home studio equipments a few years ago when I stop playing on a band. Now I'm get back to it. I don't have any amps in my home studio right now :(
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  4. FunkHead

    FunkHead Supporting Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    I love Hartke products so I’d vote for Ha3500 + 410
  5. i9mobile

    i9mobile Luiz Junior

    Apr 7, 2018
    Campinas/SP - Brazil
    Thanks, I listed this option for the price (and the weight) to be close to the 2x10 Peavey or GK Backline combo.
    Let's see what other players can say about it.
    Weight is an important factor as I am approaching the age of forty and need to be able to carry everything from home to the show by my self.
  6. FunkHead

    FunkHead Supporting Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    That makes sense. 1 210 may not be quite enough for some gigs. 2 210’s stacked vertically would be sweet. The 2nd 210 is closer to ear level. And no phase cancelling either.
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  7. I vote Hartke.
    Perhaps two 210XL’s stacked vertically would be better than a single 410 for better portability and floor space.
    This is the set up I want to get (with a 3500)...I wish i never sold mine 20 years ago...
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  8. i9mobile

    i9mobile Luiz Junior

    Apr 7, 2018
    Campinas/SP - Brazil
    Thanks guys, I really had not considered stacking two 2x10 cabs ...
    My first thoughts was start on the 2x10 combo and add an 4x10 cab if needed, but this vertical stack is very interesting also (I'll read some opinions on other threads and think more about it)
  9. The 210XL cabs are a little small, the HyDrive 210’s are a bit larger, can handle more power and more low end. When stacking the two cabs vertically, the HyDrive 210’s bay be a little more stable because of the larger footprint. If you can get those it would be better...
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  10. scuzzy


    Feb 15, 2006
    Troy, MO
    I owned a backline 115, and while an OK amp, they are not American made and do not compare well to the higher end GK offerings. Keep that in mind.

    The Peavey should be a solid work horse amp.

    The hartke stuff, though higher in price, will likely be very good and also modular so you can change as needs change for less money. Good luck with your search!
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  11. johnson79


    Jan 8, 2010
    Lancaster, PA
    The 210XL sounds great with my GK 400RB, so I wouldn't hesitate to mix brands if you go modular. For combos I'd probably go with the Peavey, but I don't have experience with that particular model.
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  12. tjh


    Mar 22, 2006
    I used a pair of Hartke 210XL's for about a year and a half, I am a fan of sealed cabs, and liked the sound … I used them with either an MB200, GK400RB (had several) or the bottom amp of an 800RB … the only caveat I can throw out if buying these cabs used, is to be sure of your source, as I have seen a few used that had speaker issues … they are not a deep voiced cab with no porting, I would guess that some are cranking to lower EQ to try and compensate, and the drivers not liking it … cabs are solid, and stack vertically well … the 410XL is much heavier, and a ported cab … very popular cab back in the day, and two versions still floating around out there ...

    I wouldn't suggest using the 410XL and the 210XL together with one power source and splitting the power … with both cabs being 8 ohm, the power will be divided equally, and the 210 receiving the same power as the 410 … with an 800RB, you could run the 410 with the 300 watt amp, and the 210 with the 50 watt amp …

    Just to consider, there is a 2.5XL that is a ported cab, should you prefer that voicing, but harder to find ...
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  13. TemplesOfSyrinx


    Sep 8, 2013
    Stability was never an issue with the Hartke rig I have used. I always liked this rig.
  14. RiffwRiter


    Aug 23, 2016
    Memphis, TN
    Since the Hartke Hydrive cabs have been mentioned and you mentioned your age I would add the HyDrives are lighter weight. I have a HyDrive 4x10 I like the sound of and don't mind carrying even though it has casters. I like it better than the GK neo 2x12 I had before and the weight is similar - I also had noise issues with the GK neo's spring loaded handles.
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  15. Thundar

    Thundar Supporting Member

    I have owned and/or played everything on that list, except the GK Backline. My preference would be the Hartke HA3500 and the Vx410 (cheap cab but lightweight for a 410), or the Ampeg SVT3 + Ampeg cab of your choice. Im not a big fan of the Ampeg PF210 or the PF500, but it would be fine (long history of reliability problems with the PF500 heads so be careful...but it is a good sounding head).
    I owned the Peavey 210 combo for 20 years..its still kickin! Both Carvin cabs are a nice choice, and the BX500 is a nice head, however again the BX500 have too many reliability issues. I really love the newer Hartke HD cabs as well....but unlike a few here, I never could never get much out of the Hartke 210XL's on their own, unless they were sitting on top of a Hartke 115XL.
    You have a lot of solid choices there...however if you had access to a Fender Rumble 500 combo, I would move that to the top of your list ;):bassist:
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  16. i9mobile

    i9mobile Luiz Junior

    Apr 7, 2018
    Campinas/SP - Brazil
    @eastcoasteddie, @scuzzy, @johnson79, @tjh , @TemplesOfSyrinx, @RiffwRiter Thanks for all your opinions!

    It seems to me that a head + 2x10 cab is the way ... also Hartke's (easy to find new or used in Brazil).

    Thanks @Thundar , I really like Carvin and Peavey amps (had a Carvin Nomad for Guitar and a Peavey KB100 for Keyboard on the past) but they aren't easy to find here in Brazil. Technical assistance for both is almost non-existent, so Hartke/Fender may be a good choice.

    The Fender Rumble 500 combo v3 is about USD $1050 (used in good condition) or USD $1710 new.... I'll keep a look closer on any sales for that...

    For the Hartke's HD410 cab, it is 50% more expensive than the XL cabs, but the lighter weight can pay off on time. (HD210 is 30% more expensive, so it may be a good option)
  17. Rip Van Dan

    Rip Van Dan DNA Endorsing Artist Supporting Member

    Feb 2, 2009
    Duvall, WA
    If you're going to add another cab down the road be sure you start with an 8 ohm cab now. Reason for that is most amps can handle a 4 ohm minimum load, but not a lot of them can handle a 2 ohm minimum load. If you get an 8 ohm cab now (such as your first 210) then you can easily had a second 8 ohm cab later because two 8 ohm cabs hooked up in parallel (industry standard connection) = 4 ohm load. If you start with a 4 ohm cab and your amp can't handle a 2 ohm load, then you won't be able to add a second cabinet later or it could damage your amp.
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  18. abarson


    Nov 6, 2003
    Santa Cruz
    I like your organization in the spreadsheet.
    Keep in mind that there is no reason why you can't mix amplifiers and cabs from different vendors.
    Also I would avoid Carvin as they no longer build or support bass equipment.
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  19. i9mobile

    i9mobile Luiz Junior

    Apr 7, 2018
    Campinas/SP - Brazil
    Thanks for this reminder.
    I will try to keep the brands easier to find here and with official imports in Brazil, preferably new ones than used.

    I've narrow down my search thru Hartke's HA3500 + HD210 cab (and another HD210 in the future).
    After reading a lot of reviews and opinions on this forum, I'm also adding Fender's Rumble 500 V3 2x10 Combo + another 2x10 Cab in the future to my search list...
    Let's see how it all unfolds.
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  20. Abrahampost


    Feb 22, 2013
    With those options I would probably go Hartke. The peavey will be the most reliable but I always find I need some eq/preamp pedals when using peavey bass gear which adds to the cost. I do like gk’s stuff but not the back line models... underpowered and unreliable in my experience. The Hartke will last a long time, give plenty of power, and I personally always liked the baked in Hartke sound.
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