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2x12 or 1x15 for bottom cab?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by SuperSnake2012, Feb 29, 2008.


  1. SuperSnake2012

    SuperSnake2012 floppy b strings

    Dec 12, 2006
    Bronx, NY
    I got a bunch of cash right now, so when else is there a good time to upgrade my amp? :D I'm getting a GK 700RB-II head and an Avatar 2x10. For my bottom cab I was debating whether I should get an Avatar 2x12 or some 1x15. I was leaning towards the 2x12... any ideas?
     
  2. Probably cant help much but, no one else is puttin in so. I had a Carvin set up as youre looking at, 2X10 and 1X15. I find the 15 is good and deep but, will fart out if you push it too much.

    I traded that set up in for an Aguilar 412 cab and I must say, the 12s are really incredible. THey have tons of punch and are still thick.

    I know its not the same as youre looking to do but, my votes for the 12s. I really like em.
     
  3. scottbass

    scottbass Bass lines like a big, funky giant

    Jul 13, 2004
    Southern MN
    Yeah, I'm also interested in opinions on this. I also play a 2x10 with a 1x15 and was wondering what it would sound like if I replaced the 1x15 with a 1x12 or 2x12.
     
  4. parsons

    parsons

    Feb 22, 2008
    Maryland
    a friend of mine who plays bass uses a 2x12 avatar and loves it. I have a 410 and 115 in my rig. I like it as well. Id go with the 2x12 if I was in your situation.
     
  5. bassman639

    bassman639

    Dec 23, 2006
    northeast ,pa
    212
     
  6. playibanez

    playibanez

    Apr 3, 2006
    U.S.
    i havent played 12s much
    but i like the sound of 15s

    thinking of adding a 2x15 to my cab. that would kill.
     
  7. Rob Mancini

    Rob Mancini Guest

    Feb 26, 2008
    I could go either way. A 2x12" will be tighter while adding a goodly amount of low end, but a 15" will add more of the low lows and contribute a certain fullness of tone that smaller speaker cabs such as 2x10"s don't nail. There's no wrong decision here. It's all a matter of what you think your sound needs.
     
  8. chaosMK

    chaosMK

    May 26, 2005
    Albuquerque, NM
    Hi-fi into an old tube amp
    I ended up getting a 2x12 for the bottom because I am more about low mids/mids than lows. Also this particular 2x12 is a little taller than the 1x15, so it looks better too (matches the 4x10), which is a key factor in my tone decisions as well.

    I love the 2x10/1x15 combo though. I'd love to have 2 of them.

    Also, if you love tons of punch, 2x10/4x10 is great.
     
  9. greenboy

    greenboy

    Dec 18, 2000
    remote mountain cabin Montana
    greenboy designs: fEARful, bassic, dually, crazy88 etc
    If you are using a top cab the Kappalite 3015LF in a box around 24x24x16.5 or better, tuned between 45 and 55 Hz will be the monster to put under it. Find a cheap used cab with or without speaker that's around that size (I nabbed a last-gen Carvin RL115 without a driver which is just perfect for this), and drop that Kappalite in there and I guarantee you won't be looking for more low end. It also has great low-mids and mid-mids.
     
  10. Crabby

    Crabby

    Dec 22, 2004
    I replaced my 115 with an Eden 210XST and it is huge sounding! The 210XST kills the 115 in so many ways. It handles more power, goes much deeper, is louder and still very tight and punchy.

    Its a much smoother sounding cab and doesnt accentuate the mids as much but thats why I have a 210XLT on top as its a growl monster. The pair of 210's is easy to transport and is louder and fuller then any 410 I have ever heard.
     
  11. greenboy

    greenboy

    Dec 18, 2000
    remote mountain cabin Montana
    greenboy designs: fEARful, bassic, dually, crazy88 etc
    Must have been a crap 115 ; }
     
  12. +1
    I have a 210XLT on top of a good 115 and it sounds great. Sounds even better now that I am standing my 210 upright.

    It would be nice if you could try the 2 options side by side. You'll have a hard time beating the price on the Avatar 212.
     
  13. amos

    amos

    Oct 23, 2003
    SE Portland Oregon
    My vote goes to:

    Avatar 212
    Eden 212 XLT (2nd-hand)
    Aguilar GS 212 (2nd-hand)

    212/210 is my current setup and I love it!
     
  14. Crabby

    Crabby

    Dec 22, 2004
    Eden 115. Not exactly considered "crap" around here. :eyebrow:
     
  15. greenboy

    greenboy

    Dec 18, 2000
    remote mountain cabin Montana
    greenboy designs: fEARful, bassic, dually, crazy88 etc
    Evidently it is though if it can't produce as much LF content OR levels OR handle power well. You yourself said:

    Sounds like a weak cab if that's the case.
     
  16. Crabby

    Crabby

    Dec 22, 2004
    Its not that its a weak or crap cab, its just not designed to reporduce the same frequencies at the same volume.

    For a singing warm fretless tone, nothing beats a 15 in my opinion to bring out the mwah factor in your tone.

    So I guess it all depends in what your after. I play a 5 string most of the time and needed some serious deep low end that the 115 couldn't produce. But I played a 210/115 rig for years and was always good to go with a 4 string bass.

    If you're not familiar with Eden's 210XST, it may be worth checking out as its pretty uniques in the amount of low end it produces in a smaller size cabinet.
     
  17. Dave R

    Dave R

    Sep 21, 2007
    Boise, ID USA
    Question: wouldn't a 1X15 bring out the low notes of a 5 string better then a 2X12?
     
  18. Crabby

    Crabby

    Dec 22, 2004
    All depends on the cabinet and how its tuned. many 115 cabs dont' go all that deep but can push a lot of air so the effect is similar.
     
  19. 12s run out of Xmax and fart out. 100w is about it for them.

    3015LF doesn't have this problem... 450w and it doesn't hit Xmax. You are looking at 5 cubic feet (net) to tunie it properly. F3 around 44 Hz. Sensitivity around 100 SPL.
     
  20. Stevem627

    Stevem627

    Nov 30, 2005
    Corinth, TX
    I have the Avater Neo 2 x 10 and an Avatar 115 combo and love it. I replaced the 15 inch Neo speaker with the 15 inch Kappa LF (non Neo) and the sound is QUITE impressive paired with the Markbass LMII.
     

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